What's your favorite stout or any beer?

I'd go with Guiness on tap ... in Ireland.Around here I'll take the local 'micro'brew first, especially since they watered guiness down for americans.

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and if it's freewell then it's my favorite too ...

But we can all look down on liquor drinkers eh?Personally I find there are times when I want a beer, times I want a glass of wine (preferably red, dark red) and times I want the hard stuff.And times I want to just have a drink, no alchohol necessary.Right now being on medical restriction from drinking any alchohol at all though ... you folks really know how to hurt a thirst.

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From one extreme to the other? Sorry to hear about your sister.I have some misgivings about "interventions" in general. I consider them a result of the extreme level of reality that needs to be imposed on people that are in severe denial, usually after being rescued from a cult where the victim has been subject to {propoganda\brainwashing} and needs to be de-programed.Not sure this really applies to other situations where the {propoganda\brainwashing} element is missing.I also have to question if "correction" is needed for a "high-functioning" alchoholic - if they truly are able to function then what is the problem? DUI? limit driving to only sober hours. If their drinking does not affect others what is the harm?I would say that my parents are both high funtioning alchoholics, btw, drinking almost non-stop now from before noon until bedtime, and always questioning if others are not drinking. They are 85 and retired, after professional careers (both PhDs) that were not infringed by this behavior. I also have a brother that tends to binge drinking - once started 'wants' to continue until totally wankered.Just some thoughts. Interested in your perspective.Thanks.

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beer pancakes.

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You have a real bee up your bonnet on this issue (judging from other threads and comments).The logical fallacy is that a high functioning alchoholic could still be a better functioning person than a teetotaler that just doesn't have the ability to reach the top levels of whatever {profession\job\task} is involved. Certainly if the issue is mental ability this is the real question here: subset{high functioning alchoholic} overlaps the ability spectrum of subset{non-alchoholic} within any {profession\job\task}.And if you are dealing with creativity at any level in the {profession\job\task} then all bets are off.BTW - they both reached the top levels in their fields of study, and that is a good enough criteria for competence and success in my book.Might they have done better without? Can't say. They might have gone crazy too (heck, they might be crazy too ).We measure success by what is rather than what might have been.If person {A} does the {profession\job\task} better than person {B} and no one is adversly affected by person {A} being some level {intoxicated\drugged\influenced} then what is the harm?Presumably they were hired because they were the better choice, and presumably the reason they keep the job is because they are at least adequate for the tasks involved. Once you cross the line into "adequate" then you are no longer "high functioning" eh?Enjoy.

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A true tale of sorrow. Yes, nothing like the reaction to repressive behavior to bring out the repressive behavior in the reaction to the reaction to the repressive behavior .... not sure you could have stopped them (they could just exclude you from further plans, or added you to the list...).What they didn't\couldn't perceive was that corrective measures were being taken, that more were available (one could consider leaving the glass out a subconscious "cry for help" in the battle, much harder to do alone), and that is the sad part.How many {CEO's\VPs\Managers\employees\etc} do you know that drink over lunchtime? Is this any different in action? A difference in degree doesn't matter if it doesn't affect ability of the person involved.I fully support MADD and SADD and the campaign to keep all people with inadequate reaction time and ability off the road, I just question whether this can really be done by a measurement of the proportion of {alchohol\etc} in the blood.Mix one small drink with extreme tiredness and you can have more effect on driving that several drinks.Heck I've known people to come to work habitually sick to the point where they can barely function - how is this different?The real issue is perception, mental concentration and physical ability to do the tasks. If that criteria is met and no one is harmed then what is the problem?

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And how many times has that water been distilled???? you of course realize that the worst thing you are drinking is the diet coke?

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so you agree, but then still assert as a general rule but not as an absolute rule. if there is overfunctioning of some paths within the brain structure it is entirely possible that some impairment is needed, and is in fact prescribed. that is what some medications do.

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the artificial sweeteneralso old joketwo aliens were observing earth customs sawhuman drink rum and coke and get intoxicated
human drink rye and coke and get intoxicated
human drink bourbon and coke and get intoxicatedconclusion ...This message has been edited by RAZD, 12*15*2005 06:54 PM

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I keep my rye, vodka and irish in the freezer so I don't need ice.

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