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ohnhai
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Message 16 of 226 (259547)
11-14-2005 6:46 AM
Reply to: Message 7 by randman
11-13-2005 11:04 PM


Re: didn't read the whole post yet
What about the worlds other holy books and ideologies? I'm sure you agree that if the argument (should teach the bible) is to hold water then all the holy books of the world should be taught fully, wholly without bias from any particular theological stand point.
But not after you have taught the bible to them, but at the same time. Make it an exercise in comparative analysis and study. Anything else is simply a call to promote one ideology over another.

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ohnhai
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Message 59 of 226 (259868)
11-15-2005 4:24 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by randman
11-14-2005 12:43 PM


Re: didn't read the whole post yet
It isn’t one or the other. The history of the continent of America is an area that has become dominated by Christianity in all its forms (don’t for get them many catholic Hispanics and the like.) But the influence of many other religions is just as deeply inter-linked and fundamental in the nation’s formation. You can’t ignore the huge financial and political power that the Jewish community held and still hold. Asian religions and more lend their voice in the voices of migrant workers. Don’t forget the European religions (versions of Christianity) that persecuted the founding fathers causing them to seek a better life.
And which version of Christianity would you want to teach? Out of the entire collection if different versions, which is most worthy of state indoctrination? Protestant, Catholic, JW’s, LDS, Creationism? Which?
Anyway you cut it; to suggest you only need to teach a specific Christian viewpoint to teach young Americans the depth and breadth of the history of the land is avoiding the true depth and richness in America’s theological heritage.
If you were Muslim, would you still insist that Christianity is the key to teaching American history? Somehow I doubt it.

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ohnhai
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Message 120 of 226 (260100)
11-16-2005 12:24 AM
Reply to: Message 118 by crashfrog
11-15-2005 11:02 PM


Re: soviets were atheists
Yup we are all subjects of her glorious majestyYup we are all subjects of her majesty the Queen.
But there was the Magna Carta
We have 2000 years worth of records. Anyway we don’t understand it. It just happens, as it always has done. Except when it doesn’t then we tend to get angsty and chop the heads of Kings.. Wait a while, then re-establish the monarchy when we realised we missed it.
And having an informal constitution means you can do things like getting rid of guns without having to bash your head against a cast iron set of right that in some cases no longer make rational sense.

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