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Heathen
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Message 147 of 300 (368249)
12-07-2006 4:02 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by nator
12-03-2006 7:08 PM


Re: Here's goes
Forget it.. already answered
Edited by Creavolution, : No reason given.

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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 157 of 300 (368450)
12-08-2006 12:14 PM
Reply to: Message 154 by crashfrog
12-08-2006 9:20 AM


Re: on the shady side of the street
crashfrog writes:
I regard myself as capable of it.
capable in the physical sense? i.e. you have the necessary equipment?
or capable in the psychological sense i.e. you have the will?
I'm intrigued how you come to this conclusion. Is it something you've considered in the past?
I don't consider myself psychologically capable of it. I don't see how I could ever act in such a way unless I became temporarily insane.
Of course, If I lost my mind I guess there's no telling what I'm capable of. but then in that case everyone is capable of anything

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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 161 of 300 (368507)
12-08-2006 3:54 PM
Reply to: Message 159 by crashfrog
12-08-2006 3:27 PM


Re: on the shady side of the street
crashfrog writes:
there's a good chance I would have been pushing Jews into gas chambers if my name had been Fritz and I was the age I am now in 1944.
but then you wouldn't be 'you' would you? you would be living in a different time, with a different upbringing with different values.
What I am saying is that I cannot concieve, being the person that I am, that I would ever engage in something as barbaric as rape or murder.
I stand by that.
crashfrog writes:
so that you might learn how easy it is for people who are exactly like you - certain that they could never be abusive or be a murderer - to commit the most barbaric acts
EXACTLY like me? really? what do you base that on?

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Heathen
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From: Brizzle
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Message 163 of 300 (368518)
12-08-2006 4:32 PM
Reply to: Message 162 by crashfrog
12-08-2006 3:59 PM


Re: on the shady side of the street
crashfrog writes:
All those people in the Milgram experiment were absolutely certain that they could never murder a person. Almost every single one of them did (or thought that they had.) You don't find that indicative?
I see no mention of death or murder in the link you gave me. and it seems to me that buzzing someone with a mild electric shock (the participants were only shown a 45volt current) in an experiment is a world apart from rape.
but I'm not a psychologist, and I guess this is the type of behaviour that the army relies on.
the stanford prison experiment is certainly disturbing,
quote:
Experimenters said approximately one-third of the guards exhibited "genuine" sadistic tendencies.
I don't think it's fair to extrapolate this to every american male.
nonetheless, I still believe that I would not act in this way.

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Heathen
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Posts: 1067
From: Brizzle
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Message 169 of 300 (368537)
12-08-2006 6:11 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by crashfrog
12-08-2006 5:15 PM


Re: on the shady side of the street
fair enough, correction accepted, I didn't read that bit closely.
crashfrog writes:
What makes you so special? What makes you so different?
I've spent my whole life in my own company, I feel guilty if I swat fly or stand on a spider. I simply don't believe I have it in me.
seeing what other people are capable of doesn't convince me that I am capable of the same.
as an aside, Isn't it possible that because these people were part of an experiment that they believed that they hadn't actually killed people, but rather thought it was part of the experiment?

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