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Percy
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Message 13 of 32 (340760)
08-17-2006 8:52 AM
Reply to: Message 1 by MangyTiger
07-26-2006 10:46 AM


I, too, saw BCT&A when it first came out. It's about a couple who decides that having affairs is good for their marriage, and they try to encourage another couple to engage in wife-swapping. There is no nudity and no bad language.
It was given an R rating in a different time. Today an R rating is a death sentence for a movie, but back then R movies were popular. They were popular because they were good movies that today would be given a PG-13 rating. It was not that many years before BCT&A that WOR radio in New York was sanctioned by the FCC for using the word pregnant on the air. Take the times into account. You'll see far worse on MTV today.
Also, even today an R rating is not porn. Porn is X. And even some X movies are not porn.
The best way to tell that BCT&A isn't porn? Since it's easily available at Blockbuster, find out how many 13-year old boys are renting it. I bet the number is close to 0.
BCT&A is porn! Sheesh! Even the Bible's got worse.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 16 of 32 (340778)
08-17-2006 10:07 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by BobAliceEve
08-17-2006 5:52 AM


Re: Thank you all for your feedback
BobAliceEve writes:
Possibly, we can agree that B&C&T&A is soft-porn?
I don't think so. Anyone attempting to sell BCT&A as soft porn would be forced to return people's money. This picture is from the final scene:
Before climbing into bed the girls walk around for a bit in underwear that is more like bathing suits, and that's about as good (or bad, depending upon your perspective) as it gets.
It was titillating in 1969 and rated R.
It isn't porn.
It isn't soft porn.
It's a PG-13 movie.
Watch this movie yourself if you don't believe it. Reading the comments over at IMDB, a lot of people seem to think it has held up to the passage of time rather well.
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 18 of 32 (340783)
08-17-2006 10:37 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Modulous
08-17-2006 10:26 AM


Re: If Bob Carol et al is porn
Oh, you're right! I had no idea I had seen so many porn movies. Easy Rider, Diary of a Mad Housewife, Love in Blume, Red Sky at Morning, Midnight Cowboy, not to mention The Prime of Miss Jean Brody, Animal House and the Woodstock documentary, which could only be classified as hard porn! The list just goes on and on.
I had no idea I was so prurient! My wife doesn't like porn, wait'll I tell her that some of her favorite movies are porn!
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 20 of 32 (340794)
08-17-2006 11:24 AM
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08-17-2006 10:56 AM


Re: Thank you all for your feedback
nwr writes:
Percy writes:
(link to picture)
Referral Denied
You don't have permission to access "http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/81/77/48m.jpg" on this server.
Reference #24.d491644.1155826265.4fe9ad5
Interesting - I guess I'm special!
You can see it at IMDb | Help.
AbE: I think I know what is happening. Once I'd viewed the original page at IMDB, that image was in my cache, so when I displayed the image by itself it was fetched successfully from my cache. I think that if you view the original page by clicking on the above link and then refresh this page that you'll see the image in my message.
--Percy
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Percy
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Message 26 of 32 (341331)
08-19-2006 9:54 AM
Reply to: Message 25 by BobAliceEve
08-19-2006 9:08 AM


But given the topic, the relevant question is whether you and Alice understand that BCT&A is neither porn nor soft-porn, and if so, can you explain it to Bob?
--Percy

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Percy
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Message 31 of 32 (341713)
08-20-2006 9:23 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by BobAliceEve
08-20-2006 8:59 AM


Hi BobAliceEve,
You seem to be confused about who wrote what. Crash didn't write the excerpt below, I did:
BobAliceEve writes:
crashfrog writes:
I, too, saw BCT&A when it first came out. It's about a couple who decides that having affairs is good for their marriage, and they try to encourage another couple to engage in wife-swapping. There is no nudity and no bad language.
Thank you for agreeing that the movie is about affairs and encourages wife-swapping.
The movie is a lot more complex than just being about affairs and wife-swapping. And the ending is a discouragement of wife-swapping, characterizing it as an empty and soulless search for gratification at the expense of true human feelings. But even if it didn't end that way, it still wouldn't be porn.
You sure have a lot of opinions about a movie you haven't seen. If BCT&A is porn simply because of subject matter, then aren't all movies where a spouse cheats on a mate and or where there is sex outside of marriage or where a woman's breasts are shown porn? In your view aren't most movies porn?
If porn is the incorrect label for this movie then it is because the movie's intent is worse than simply sexual stimulation. And I find being placed in that context discusting. Possibly, one of you would be willing to offer an adjective that conveys this thought? If so, I will use it instead of porn.
Consider these passages from the Bible:
Gen 12:10-15: ...and Abram went down to Egypt...As he was about to enter Egypt, he said to his wife Sarai, "I know what a beautiful woman you are. When the Egyptians see you, they will say, 'This is his wife.' Then they will kill me but will let you live. Say you are my sister, so taht I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you...And when Pharaoh's officials saw her, they praised her to Pharaoh, and she was taken into his palace.
Gen 19:8: Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him and said, "No, my friends. Don't do this wicked thing. Look, I have two daughter who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them."
Care to reconsider your definition of porn?
Could we talk to Alice and Eve some more? They were a lot more fun. By the way, did you see this week's Psych?
--Percy

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