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Author Topic:   Janitorialism-what to do
Jon
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Message 1 of 22 (402458)
05-27-2007 5:11 AM


Janitors must have a special place in Heaven.
Janitors. male or female, are products of neglect by our societies. These young people come out of homes where physical, non-mentally challenging labour has occurred. They are basically forced from their environment to the boiler rooms.
The societal response to these neglected, ill-educated people is rather strange. We create them and then use their bathrooms and hallways to further dirty what our sons and daughters have already cleaned. We do provide social services on occasion but most of our response is negative. We drive them to a lifestyle of mops and scrubbing under sinks and use policies to try to hide our own shame in a forgotten break room.
What should people do. Having created this trade, should we now piss in public and abuse them more or should we let them starve or find some other demeaning activity in order to live.
Are we paying them for our gratification or is the payment to ease our conscience for creating them.
Do some of us vomit in the hall with compassion because we recognize that they are our creation? Or am I trying to justify their existence. In countries where poverty is rampant and children are sold by their own parents, can it be said that this is good in order to maintain a family structure. Is it okay to go to some of these places of poverty and shit in their toilets. Not availing ourselves of this product do we help the country to stay poor.
The same weird situation exists where any labour occurs. If we do not buy the pizza cooked by the eighteen year old, does his family then go hungry.
There is good and evil in everything, can we clear up the view of this problem and know the best course of action?
Does survival of the fittest include the ability to use and abuse our public bathrooms. We tend to continue with these unsightly customs regardless of the wealth of a given nation. Would wealth and education put an end to these practices? It appears not.
Question for debate.
Is it better to vomit in the middle of the floor so they can clean it up to help them survive, or is there a better way.
Please do not say things like holding it in without telling us how.
Impossible solutions are not solutions.
Regards
Jon

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Jon
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Message 3 of 22 (402463)
05-27-2007 6:08 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by anglagard
05-27-2007 5:59 AM


Re: What the Hell Are You Talking About?
I worked as a janitor for seven years, mostly self-employed, so what?
A self-employed janitor? I don't believe it. No one would choose to be a janitor as a means of making money. It's too dirty and degrading; I'm sure you were forced into your line of work by societal ills and injustices. I myself have done a little cleaning here and there, and am well aware of how much I hate it, and how much everyone else must hate it too. I'm so sure they hate it, that I think there should be laws against doing it for money.
Any takers? Who knows Congress' phone number? We should set some policy in place today!
Jon
Edited by Jon, : Corrected that title ;-)

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Jon
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Message 5 of 22 (402466)
05-27-2007 7:00 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by anglagard
05-27-2007 6:12 AM


Re: What the Hell Are You Talking About?
Hey, I worked as an independent contractor for lawyers, accountants, and real estate people. No boss but them, and it put me through college (somewhat). I'm not complaining, why are you?
You can say you are not complaining all you want, but everyone here knows that those people exploited you, because that is the only thing that can happen to janitors”exploitation. The fact that the money you got put you through college doesn't make it any less exploitative or respectable.
It should be society's job to save you from your self-destructive behaviour, because believe it or not, what you've done was not good for you. If your 'profession' had been illegal, you would've been able to get a better job that you were not qualified for and could've not made even more money than the squibbles you got janitoring yourself out to lawyers, accountants, and other high-paid people who requested your services.
Jon

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Jon
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Message 10 of 22 (402559)
05-28-2007 12:15 AM
Reply to: Message 8 by nator
05-27-2007 10:58 AM


That is a far better example.
Example? Example of what?

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Jon
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Message 15 of 22 (402625)
05-29-2007 12:35 AM
Reply to: Message 12 by nator
05-28-2007 2:16 PM


You said that sweatshop workers would be a better example. The topic is about janitors. I'm confuzzled as to how sweatshop workers is a better example of janitors. So, I thought either you didn't know what the hell was going on, or you were thinking of an example of some thing, that thing not necessarily being”nor being related to”janitors. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed the latter, hence my question:
'Example of what?'
Janitors are an example of janitors
Sweatshop workers are an example of ... ?
An honest, non-snide, non-self-righteous, non-'Natorian' answer would be appreciated this time.
Thanks,
Jon

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Jon
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Message 17 of 22 (402984)
05-31-2007 7:48 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by nator
05-29-2007 8:46 AM


Prostitution?
I'm amazed, really. Aren't you the one who started an entire thread declaring me incompetent in the area of reading comprehension? And now, have you interpreted my thread on janitors to be about sweatshop workers and prostitutes?
Reread the opening post, and point out any parts that you think hint at prostitution or sweatshop work. As for:
you cut n pasted the OP from the Prostituion-what to do thread and replaced key words about prostitution with those about janitors.
This is true, but I didn't merely switch out 'prostitute' for 'janitor.' I used the format of the prostitution thread's OP because its format was suiting to my needs.
Jon

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