Saddam's a bad guy, so we should....

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I did not listen to Bush's state of the union pep rally, but I listened to several commentaries and "town meeting" discussions this morning.

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Translation: I listened to some left wing commentaries and anti-bush discussions this morning.

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It seems that Bush aired a laundry list of atrocities committed by Hussein and his minions.

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It seems or he did? There is a difference.

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Don't get me wrong - I think Hussein is a lunatic and should go (should have don eit the first time - daddy Bush was too worried about re-election to do the "right thing"). But it should be for legitimate reasons, not trumped up nonsense.

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You do a sufficient enough job to prove yourself wrong. No need for others to intervene. Actually, the Iraq campaign was stopped for two reasons (though I'm sure Bush was concerned about his job).1. Saudi-Arabia did not want the US to control that much oil. They are quite scared of the US no longer needing their services. Once the oil issue has been resolved, we will drop our ties with Saudi Arabia. They are not a US ally and have proven this consistently.2. Israel was going to drop a nuclear warhead on Iraq in retaliation. We were trying to disassociate ourselves with such an act. Political pressure from the US convinced Israel not to nuke Iraq.

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Am I the only one that remembers that press conference in which, after Bush laid out some weak Al-Qaeda links, he said, "After all, this is the guy that tried to kill my dad."?

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Some other quotes you might enjoy:"My point being, it is easy to come down on one side of an issue like this when you have no knowledge of the other.""Facts are stupid things."Look familiar? Those are quotes from you taken out of context. Do you really think facts are stupid things?

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And whatever happened to that "proof" we supposedly have about his weapons of mass destruction? What are we waiting for? Are we waiting until maybe such evidence actually appears (shades of Borger...)?

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The information is classified for a reason. The DoD does not want to reveal any information which would lead to a compromising of our informants and spies. This is a simple concept.The Hussein regime has killed our agents and informants before.

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What ever happened to Al-Qaeda? Bin Laden?

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I believe this was addressed just yesterday by the Bush Administration.

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Campaign on a war, Rove said. Indeed - mainstream American voters are uninformed and gullible enough to buy it and forget about the economy and the debt and such...

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The bell-curve theory proves the stupid will always outnumber the smart. Which part of the bell do you reside in?

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Am I the only one embarassed and angry at the Bush administration's squandeing of the international sympathy and solidarity felt for us after 9/11?

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International sympathy was produced by the media. The same countries who hate us still hate us.

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"Axis of evil"? Gigve me a break - that is B-move claptrap. Why are we letting right-wing, unelected, speech writers damage our international credibility?

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I don't know? Why are you letting right-wing, unelected, speech writers damage your international credibility?N. Korea admitting it was using the nuclear reactor it received in 1994 to research and produce nuclear war heads is part of the b-movie clap trap? Thanks Clinton, your legacy lives on!Perhaps a hands across america, we are the world singout orchestrated by the great Jimmy Carter will convince Iraq to disarm and preclude the need for war.

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This is the first - and last - time I will reply to you. You are not even worth the effort.

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Excellent. I win.

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My girlfriend has a little sister that used to argue all of the time, making no sense at all with anything she said.

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Everyone was usually annoyed and frustrated because it was more like she was just making noise, than trying to make sense.

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Yes, I am quite sure you argued Deep Space Nine was superior to Voyager many times with her. Or perhaps she thought Babylon 5 was no good.

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So ultimately the only way to win, she thought, was to annoy people until they stopped arguing, because the last one arguing is considered the winner.

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Did you even read SLPx's response? It was the same thing repeated over and over: condemning the right wing. He refuted nothing I said with anything of substance. SLPx stated he is not going to post to me again, by default I win.

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jdean, unless you are as young and naive as my girlfriend's kid sister, you need to get a better definition of what "I win" means.

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Define girlfriend? I'm guessing it differs from most definitions.I win.

First, allow me to remind you:

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This is the first - and last - time I will reply to you. You are not even worth the effort.

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You lack commitment. I am quite disapointed in you.Second I named specific examples to back up my claims (sprinkled with sarcasm and insults for fun). I am sorry they didn't agree with your left wing views.

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You puked up a bunch of "nuh-uhs" and declared victory.

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Actually declaring victory was to get a rise out of you and get you to respond. Which worked. So NOW I can declare victory. Thank you kindly for the satisfaction.

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Yeah, I guess you win, troll.

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Troll is always preferred over simpleton.

Yes, let's see indeed Winston.I am following SLPx's crazy smart technique of looking at a post in another window also and making sure every one knows.I make an educated assumption everything SLPx was listening/reading is left wing in nature. I instruct you to his entire post for reference of this guess. Also note no reference was given for these town hall discussions. By SLPx's definition, everything stated in discussions were opinion and not fact, regardless if discussions cited legitimate facts.I point out he didn't actually hear or read the speach (which in my opinion is important if you are going to flame what was said).I point out the contributing factors why the US-Iraq conflict prematurely ended. Whereas numbskull leads us to believe Bush Sr. was only concerned with re-election. Typical left wing rhetoric used to discredit Bush.SLPx uses an out of context quote to stregthen his absurd opinion of impending war. I point out the evil of using quotes out of context by citing quotes from slpx on this forum.I make logical reference as to why the Bush Administration does not reveal it's entire poker hand whereas SLPx states nothing but opinion.I state Hussein has been known to kill our spies. Slpx agrees all governments kills spies but doesn't understand why revealing intelligence would put these people in danger and compromise their position.I state the Bush Administration recently addressed Osama and Al-Qaeda, however, foxnews and cnn must be too obscure for his news palate.I ask him where he considers himself on the bell. No implication of being retarded was made, however, he took it as that.Apparently calling the bell curve theory "a rascist tome by a right-wing twit" proves it is false. Of course no reference was given, so once again this is opinion.I state internation sympathy is the same. Which is true. I guess all those palestinians parading and cheering in the street on 9/11 were not celebrating our tragedy but merely their way of cheering us up at our time of need.I respond to his rhetorical question. I find it amusing SLPx is bitching about speech writers although he never bothered to actually hear the speech.I post N. Korea utilized the nuclear reactor Clinton bestowed to them for manufacturing war grade uranium. SLPx resorts to calling me an evil right winger since he cannot refute the statement.I mock his stupitidy with a smart ass quip about holding hands and singing.I understand why you are confused Winston. SLPx creates a thread spouting off why we shouldn't go to war with Iraq but at the same time states the US should have finished the WAR the first time. .The real kicker is his entire diatribe is all about a speech he never even heard.Not very scientific is it?

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Blah blah blah right wing blah blah blah

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I don't have time to read all of your rant but I heard some people talking about it. I guess i'm qualified to reply.Intelligence was never in question in this thread. Politics and common sense was. I'm sorry. Did you really think every one would bow down to your simplistic left wing speach and tip their hat in agreement? Your buttons are easily pushed sheep. Baaa baaa.You tantrum like a three year old who just learned barney was cancelled and then brag about a college degree. I bet your alma mater is quite proud of you and your accomplishments. A degree does not grant instant intelligence or wisdom. Save your bragging for the local elementary school kids. I could care less and is irrelevant to any discussion.NPR is one of the largest liberal rags in existence. My assumptions were correct. You WERE listening to liberal propaganda. Accept it or not.Perhaps you should frequent some .CA sites for political postings. No one there will bother to argue with you.I have acknowledged my ignorance to science in the past. Why would I engage in debate when I am not well versed in the subject matter? A practice you might want to pick up and avoid being embarrassed.This is the Coffe House and not FFA. You are quite correct. I guess this is where I tattle to the admins about your harsh name calling. Oh wait. I have principles to uphold. I leave the tattling to you. You know the drill right SLPx?You are an ass. Yes an ass not an arse. This is america. I'm willing to bet Corky from Life Goes On has more common sense and wit than you. But that's just my opinion.

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Like I said, I think your momma's calling.....

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Actually it's the voice of Morris Goodman and he's not very happy about your conduct. You bring great shame to his name.

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Another right-wing simplton goes off the deep end and tries to intimidate an opponant by digging into their identity.

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My goal was not to intimidate but to chastize your childish actions.

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Indeed, I just sent jdean33442@ditech.com an email explaining that he is not the only one that can find things out about people.

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My email is public because I allow it be published on the forum. Not a great accomplishment on your part.

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Of course, I would not do such things.

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Of course you wouldn't.If you leave sleazy admissions to us simpletons, where do you file "your momma is calling"?

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As I made PERFECTLY CLEAR, the ONLY thing I gleaned form the NPR piece was the fact (yes, it is a FACT) that Bush read off a litany of supposed atrocities committed by Hussein.

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Oh yeah, NPR never skews it's fact reporting with liberal biase.

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I think that convincing the large majority of the population of the U.S., of the allies of the U.S., of the Islamic world, and of the world as a whole, of the justness of the war, is essential to the U.S. administration's winning any war against Iraq, and/or against terrorism.

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The majority of US citizens believe the war is just. As for our allies, it depends on what you define US allies as. Saudi Arabia is considered an ally, however, the country is anti-american. Just as in life, there are friends and then there are associates.

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The terrorism alert level in the U.S. was recently downgraded from orange to yellow (less perceived danger). This is considered a good thing. One thing that will get the terrorism alert level back up, to the top red level no less, is the U.S.'s starting the new Iraq war.

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Terrorist attacks have been planned long before we announced our intention to go to war with Iraq. Cowardice out of fear is exactly what terrorism spawns. An attack (attempted or successful) against the US is imminent.

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The difference between a terrorist and a freedom fighter is a matter of perspective.

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Attacking US civilians on it's soil is not freedom fighting regardless of perspective. It was an act of aggression towards us. The USS Cole bombinb can be construed as an act of freedom fighting (although not in my eyes).

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The difference between a just leader and a war criminal is a matter of which side wins the war.

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I agree and disagree with you on this. An immoral crime is still a crime regardless of who wins. The crime will go unnoticed though if the criminals are the victors, however, it is still a criminal act. The connotation of your statement bugs me though. Are you suggesting US generals commited the same scope of crimes as did Japan's and Germany's?

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For - what is it now, the 5th or 6th time?

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Yes it is. I was hoping you would catch on by now. I'll explain it for you. I stated you gleaned the information from some liberal media source. Which was obvious by the tone of your post. You proved me right. Thank you very much liberal genius.Was that cookie cutter enough for you?

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I suppose, of course, that Rush, Ollie, Mike, etc. ONLY report unbiased truths, right?

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This is irrelevant. We were commenting on your liberal media hangouts. For the record I don't read/listen to any of the above (I have no idea who "Mike" is). Of course your little closed hypocritical mind believes all conservatives listen to Rush and have NRA bumper stickers. What other stereotypes do you believe in?