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JavaMan
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Message 23 of 135 (292618)
03-06-2006 7:38 AM
Reply to: Message 11 by robinrohan
03-05-2006 11:28 AM


Do feelings count?
But my feelings are so strong about certain matters--for example, my ire when witnessing deliberate cruelty--that it makes me think that there is something intrinsic to the act of cruelty itself that I am recognizing objectively.
Anyone else feel this way?
Of course. Someone who didn't feel that way we would consider a sociopath.
The utilitarian position on this is that the feelings associated with morality are so strong because what morality is dealing with is your most fundamental sense of security. We have moral rules to protect us against the actions of others: 'thou shalt not kill' to ensure that we don't have to spend all our time worrying about being murdered; 'thou shalt not steal' so we don't have to protect our property all the time.
Your feeling of anger when you see an act of cruelty is a pretty impressive sense of empathy when you think about it. You're seeing the person or animal being mistreated as something like you, something that feels just the same as you would under the same circumstances. So, in a sense, the anger you feel has a very personal root - it's just the same anger you would feel if you were the thing being mistreated.
It's just this ability to empathise with another that a sociopath is incapable of. A sociopath, for whatever reason, has never learned that social skill of extending his own self-interest to the interests of others.

The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible

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JavaMan
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Message 25 of 135 (292625)
03-06-2006 8:26 AM
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03-06-2006 4:30 AM


Some may enjoy it and think "unfortunately" most people are not appreciative of cruelty. Certainly the Abu Ghraib affair, the recent Iraqi secret death squads, the unnecessary beating by British soldiers, and the original torture tactics of Saddam's troops (ironically which all the former mentioned troops were supposed to replace and not be cruel), shows somewhat that cruelty can and does get enjoyed. Most particularly where there is a great difference in power.
I think there's a part of all of us that enjoys exercising power over others. What stops us from being cruel generally is the ability to empathise with others, the ability to put ourselves in their position. In some people this ability seems to be lacking; in others, the ability to empathise doesn't extend outside a certain group, which is how you get the apparent paradox of apparently decent and law-abiding people acting in such dreadful ways.

The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible

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JavaMan
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Message 26 of 135 (292626)
03-06-2006 8:29 AM
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03-06-2006 8:23 AM


Re: Do feelings count?
That's not true at all. Someone who did not feel that way towards those most believe should not be treated that way would be considered sociopaths.
Cruelty is most certainly allowed against some group, anywhere you go. Indeed sympathy or empathy for the out group could itself be considered a form of mental disorder.
I agree. In my post to robinrohan, I was making the assumption that all of us were part of the in group.

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