Pre-flood physics?

Like you all probably heard about hunza water, coming from a glacier formed in the biblical deluge and the people drinking this water living longer, the glaciers were formed suddenly, in the 40 day deluge from the windows of heaven (water canopy, freezing suddenly (hunza water?) and the fountains of the deep releasing sediments and salty water from deep inside the earth(forming the 47,000 miles of the mid-ocean ridges)techtonic plate movement being responsible for all the fractured rock and water being found in the deepest wells (even seven miles deep, fractured rock and water), the kola well, and the german well. Even the oceans of water bearing evidence of Psalm 104:9, that God prepared a place for the waters of the flood, causing the oceans to settle and the mountains to rise. But what I found interesting is the hydrogen ions believed to be responsible for the electical potential of the hunza water, makes one wonder if dust was a problem pre-flood, like its the dust in the center of each rain drop that makes it possible for rain, leaning me to feel that the electrical potentials (whatever that means) was different pre-flood. Like we now have an ionoshpere, but the bible seems to infer water above and water below(pre-flood) kjv genesis 1:7.

There is the hydroplate theory(Walt Brown), that correctly explains the formation of the basalt mountain range that is over 45,000 miles in length in the ocean, the bible talks of the fountains of the deep opening up and being fractured, all the scientific evidence in the natural of water over 7 miles deep into the earth, and that this rock is fractured supports not the techtonic plate theory but the hydroplate theory, as the water erupted out of the fountains of the deep, for them 40 days, the canopy of water in the atmosphere also contributed water, however, like the naturalists Rachel Carson finding the sunken islands in the pacific ocean that too her seemed to have sunken, over 1/2 mile supports psalm 104, that God caused the ocean basins to settle, if the earth was smoother there is more than enough water in the oceans to turn and cover the earth, however, when the mid-ocean ridges were formed the topography of the earth was changed and even today the mountains are rising a bit, due to the tidal effects of the moon, due to the fractured nature of the fountains of the deep pressing under the trenches and all the basalt lava that covered the ocean floor, making it appear that the trenches are subducting when its actually believed to be the granite rocks that fractured under the basalt rock that converted into sedimentary rock due to the tremendous heat, that pressed up the plateaus the mountains of the continents when God created the bounds that the waters would not again cover the earth. kjv psalm 104:9.
P.S. The bible itself agrees with you that the waters of the ocean have been bound, or presently due to the topography after the flood, its impossible for the oceans to cover the earth, etc...

When Mt. St. Helens Erupted is was a lateral blast, even so, ash blew into orbit for years, circling the earth, you forget that 90 percent of what comes out of a volcano is water, and the rest ash, gases, etc...it is interesting that most of what asteroids consist is believed water, its not unreasonable it explains the asteroid belt, and all the rock sediments littered in the soils of the earth, like the flood must of not happened all that long ago, as rocks are still rising out of the earth from the frost in my part of the world, like frost only goes down 4 feet, if these sediments were formed millions of years ago, they wouldn't still be rising up from 4 feet deep, all the rocks that could be lifted up by the forces of water freezing would of lifted all these rocks to the surface, as is farmers are still finding new rocks each year they plow their fields, the flood explains where these rock came from, as the glaciers that were formed suddenly, then melted with rock sediments within, responsible for the heart ache to the farmer, plowing into these stones, and piling these stones each year on the side of their fields, etc...

It not believed the basalt turned into sedimentary rock but the foundational granites, that fractured under extreme pressures turned to sedimentary rock. If you can prove that geologists have cored through the basalt layers on the oceans bottom, as is they only are assuming the oceans basement rocks are basalt, truth is they don't know if granite exists below the basalt lava's, etc...think though it was Walt Brown that said the trenches are not subducting, something about laser measurements not supporting the trenches are subducting(moving), etc...
P.S. Is not the magnetic reversals of the basalt layers covering the oceans floor, its only a phenomenom of permanent magnets, it appears they have not even dated the magnetic reversals layers for age, just assuming the lavas are spreading over millions of years, likely if ever they date the basalt magnetic basalts, the age will be the same, all across the oceans bottom, meaning of course the techtonic plates are not spreading via basalts, etc...take several permanent magnets, and try to have them all point north side by side, you can not do this, the magnetic reversals is a normal phenomenom, etc...

Noah's ark being found in the Mt. Ararat area, by Ron Wyatt, well circumstantial evidence anyway(sea anchors etc...), but whatever, it was off to the side of where the mid-ocean ridges were erupting supersonic steam into the upper atmosphere, think your right that it is the root cause of the water laden metorites, frozen testimonials of the biblical flood, however, heat rises but in the vacuums of the upper atmosphere it cooled suddenly, and came back frozen to the earth(the glaciers formed suddenly), super deregnoes winds, straight winds, in the area of the erupting waters(like storms fronts with humid air causing severe down drafts, but on a much bigger scale), interestingly due to the rotation of the earth,and where Noahs ark was found, was protected from where the waters were erupting out of the earth, it is interesting that the ark was shaped not as box but as an ark, it was designed to flow with the waves, with sea anchors, etc...it something about fluid dynamics, where a fish can remain stationary with little effort in a fast moving stream of water, too me, its no accident that God had Noah build an ark, and had Noah coat it with sealant inside and out, it is interesting that the bible testifies that iron and bronze technologies existed in Noah's day kjv genesis 4:22, helping to support the ark, granted this science was lost after the flood, until the bronze and iron age was rediscovered, etc...it is interesting if one loses power in a storm, even today, your supposed to throw out your sea anchor's and ride out the storm (fluid dynamics), and all the circumstantial evidence Ron Wyatt provided with the pictures of them sea anchors, circumstantial evidence, that the ark was designed with fluid dynamics, etc...

Nosy Ned,Digest what I've written, check it out, you will find they are finding fractured rock and water 7 miles into the earth, with all the pressures and temps this shouldn't be, but be as it is, they(scientists) are studying fluid dynamics and crustal mechanics within the inner earth, like in the Russian super deep well, like even the trinity well is over 2 miles deep, think its located in Idaho, a natural artesian well with water coming through cracks in the granite foundational rocks, its so deep and pure that MTBE has not polluted it, etc...
P.S. I already said what comes out of a volcano being up to 90 percent water, the thermal venting on each side of the mid-ocean ridges(springs on the oceans floor), the ring of fire, etc... that even though Mt. St. Helens was a lateral blast it blasted ash into orbit, if it would of been blasting vertical, how much water would of been blasted out of orbit, the basalt ridges are basalt not granite, think you should read up on Walt Browns hydroplate theory, etc...Its cutting edge, but its consistent with the evidence. It is interesting the only time they tried to drill through the basalt ocean floor, they went only 200 feet and stopped drilling, the truth is they do not know if granite exists beneath the basalt lava that covered the oceans floor during the biblical flood, etc...

When looking at the pressurized water erupting its awesome, in that water to my impressionis not able to be compressed into stone its only pressurized water, interestingly in the study of crustal fluid mechanics in the study of earthquake mechanism, its its ability of water to remain a liquid under extreme pressure that is being studied in the super deep russian kola well(hydraulics), but yes when this water under extreme pressure, moved from a liquid to steam suddenly, lateral from under the techtonic plates, it eroded the granite mantle to the east and west of the mid-ocean ridges, and this weight removed caused the mallable basalt to subduct up, causing the mid-ocean ridges to rise, but the water heat supersonically rises, and where it was cooled in the vacuums of the upper atmosphere, returning to the earth as snow, rain, buffering the thermal shock, so the fish were able to survive, and that too, is interesting, in that its known that the salinity of the fish is similar to the salinity of the sea water, and not the fresh water, meaning of course that if it never rained before the flood, the pre flood oceans were already saline, more in line with what the fish salinity is, and that they simply adapted to the freshwater hydrologic cycle after the flood, like you know natural selection, adapting by water osmosis, to maintain their saline fluid chemistry, etc...
P.S. My sister would love you all, she teaches grammar, never learned proper punctuation, use comma's to separate thoughts, and to condense whatever I'm writing, etc...

I think your right it was converted to metamorphic rock, not sedimentary rock, however, when I searched the internet, could not find where they dated the different magnetic reversals, only an island here and there, nor could I find where they drilled over 105 feet into the basalt ocean floor, I realize the ocean is too deep to drill through the basalt layers, though until they do, they can not say that the granite foundational rocks are not under the basalt lava flows, on the continents we have these granite foundational rocks, their is no reason to believe they do not exist under the basalt ocean floor.
P.S. I'm not a scientists, but accused of preaching, however, when I saw of the magnetic reversals it brought to mind the permanent magnets that I had laying around, so I tried to lay 3 permanent magnets side by side, its impossible, meaning too me, when the lavas flowed out across the ocean floor covering the granites, the iron in the basalt orintated much like my permanent magnets, to lay permanent magnets side by side you will find the same magnetic reversal phenomenom, meaning of course you can lay your permanent magnets side by side, if you reverse the poles.[This message has been edited by whatever, 12-22-2003]

You asked how this supersonic steam erupting laterally out from under the granite mantle could lose its heat in the vacuums of the upper atmosphere, In the book of Revelations it talks of the atmosphere being rolled back, were talking of a whole lot of ash coming up from the cavitation of the granite and basalt rock, likely how God cause the windows of heaven(water canopy) to be opened, even today we need dust to cause a raindrop, in the formation of the 45,000 miles plus basalt under the ocean mountain range, the sediment blasted out with the waters was deposited all across the earth, from what I heard it averages over 1 mile in depth across the entire planet, as evidenced in the Grand Canyon, Hudson Canyon, Amazon Canyon, etc... with all the ash being blown up into the upper atmosphere laterally, as the super sonic steam cooled it returned to the earth as rain, snow, etc...its not all that uncommon for whitesquall, macro-down bursts, micro-down bursts when hot humid air is rising, or along along a storm front, however, think most asteroids likely consists of water, and from my point of thinking, when God caused our sun to shine only 13,000 years ago(core harmonics evidencing it a very young star), the waters on Mars, the moons, etc...because of gravity escaped too, thus I don't personally think all the water based asteroids came from the Genesis World Flood, but where the lateral blasting of water became more a vertical blast, don't see why some rocks were not launched into outer space, etc...even today they don't understand in totality what happened in the tungsla explosion in the early 1900's, but even here they feel that the atmosphere rolled back, what I feel likely happened when God caused the fountains of the deep to erupt, as we all know there is a lot of water down under the earth, filling the fractured rock, don't think Walt Brown thought up the water under the earth, its like biblical, and many scientist feel that mars has evidence it too, has waters, seas, likely water is under ground, and the oceans of water that escaped contributed to the asteroid belt. If one looks at Europa, one of the moons of our solar system, it is an icy world, meaning that the however, the planets were created in the beginning, they didn't come into being as a molten piece of rock, the reason there are scientists that believe there is more water under the oceans in the inner earth that exists within the oceans themselves. If the earth was formed as a molten piece of rock, no water should exists down below the granite mantle, challenging the perceived molten rock planet formation theory to be flawed.

roxrkool, I put those sites on my favorites to check out later, if I find a phone number of someone in the know, too me, it would be worth a phone call, when I did my last search on the topic, it was over a year ago, what I remember was after drilling through sediment of however many thousand feet, they ran into basalt and they quit drilling 105 feet into the basalt, however, any information that would prove they drilled 4,000 feet into the basalt, away from the mid-ocean ridges, on the oceans floor, as we all know that Walt Brown believes only basalt would be found in this area near the mid-ocean ridges, due to the sediment erosion of the granite mantle by cavitation forces, etc...
P.S. It would be also interesting if they have core samples of the basalt across the ocean floor, to confirm the geologic theory that the basalt ocean floor has been spreading over 200 + millions of years, think what they will find, is that this is a myth, but I'm open to scientific evidence to support or disprove the geologic theory that the techtonic plates are spreading, though it seems too me that Walt Brown hydroplate theory seems more viable(that they are floating), that the granite under the basalt crushed under the continents, that its not a simple slip fault, the reason California probably will never slip into the ocean (fractured fountains of the deep), etc... even so I'll probably enjoy checking out your sites, after Christmas.

Eta_Carinae, I would assume that they are more into the study of the sun, since the russian scientist finding were confirmed by the british scientists, although core harmonics, don't believe its changed, the core of the sun gives off the same harmonics that its core density is evidence of a very young star, think due to the closeness of the sun they are also studying the outer surface higher occilations harmonics, and other things like them neutrinoes in coal mines, though all these other things doesn't change the core harmonics, etc...the sun gives off light particles and leaves the dense particles behind, is not this what the density of the core is all about, white dwarfs, etc...
P.S. Is not the core harmonics occilations what they are using to study other stars in the known universe, all we can say is the sun is a very young star, I realize to the evolution people tends to exagerate when it come to the age of the sun, like moon rocks that dated 5 billion years old, doesn't mean the sun was a star, 5 billion years ago, all we know is that God created the heaven in the beginning and if the sun was 5 billion years old a star its core harmonics should be a whole lot deeper, and should be giving off a whole lot more neutrinoes, etc...

Coragyps, Its interesting that granite is lighter than basalt, however, on the continents this granite mantle is 5 to 10 miles thick, even so, the basalt lavas being heavier are not likely to be as thick as the under laminate layer of granite, with the weight of the water and the effect of the gravitation of the moon, the mid-ocean ridges rose, as the floating ocean mantle gravitated to a stop, after crushing the granite under the continents forming the trenches. If I remember Walt theory the water under the granite mantle is what erupted out of the earth, this water was (trapped) between the granite and the basalt inner earth layer(hydro-plate theory), that the basalt mid-ocean ridges were actually the inner basalt being pressed up, after the above granite mantle had eroded away, the reason for with you have the springs of the ocean (hydro-thermal vents on each side of the mid-ocean ridges, the theory says their is still water compressed under the granite, being pressed out, kind of like a pressure relief valve on a hot water tank, however these thermal vents are venting continually.
P.S. Due to the cavitation erosion of the granite layer, the theory goes that the basalt lava's also outpoured over the entire oceans floor, covering the entire ocean floor. Walts theory can be understood better if one moves a refrigerator with compressed air, the refrigerator float's, this is the reason the kola russian deep well is studying the relationship of fluid mechanics in relation to crustal earthquake movement. I personally don't see how the techtonic plates could float on lava, but can see how the malleability of the inner earth molten lavas basalt's could be molded by the fractured rock and water pressing down by hydraulics, and the mid-ocean ridges rising, and the tidal effects pressing down on the fractured rock and water through weight of the oceans, basalt pressing down on the granite and the waters trapped between pressing down on the malleable inner earth, causing the continental mountains, pressing up, even up until this day. Its believed that there was once a land bridge to Australia, that has since sunk below the wave base, the pressing down of the oceans and the pressing up of the mountains, kjv psalm 104:9, God set the bounds so the water would never again cover the entire earth, etc...

Eta_Carinae, I kind of figured the neutrinoes were being formed by the sun, now I'm not into stellar physics, but what does neutrinoes have to do with the core harmonics of the sun, is the sun burning from the core or from the surface, my leaning is that the core harmonics indicate its core density is that of a young star,though you probably would agree by saying 4.6 billion years is a young star, though I think if the sun was that old its core would of compressed, more than what the deeper harmonics of the sun which are indicating the suns core is not all that dense, etc...P.S. Its like your all saying because neutrinoes are being given off the sun's core is not getting denser, like what makes a star turn into a black hole, is it not compressing, as the light is given off, over time.

Mr.Jack, To rain you need a speck of dust, it sounds like in Noahs say it never rained, it talks about water above the firmament and water below the firmament kjv genesis 1:7-8, I take the firmament to be where the birds fly kjv genesis 1:20, so a water canopy above where the bird's flew, which changed after the biblical flood, the ash and the temperature of the water being release opened the windows of heaven, causing the rain to come down. It says God stopped the fountains of the deep and the windows of heaven and the rain from heaven was restrained. kjv genesis 8:2.

Coragyps, You all have no idea how old the sun is, given the earth is too watery, to have been formed as a molten ball of fire, you can not assume that just because they dated rocks on the moon to be 4.6 billion years old, that the sun has been a star this long, thats like dating the fossils imprints by the sediments that preserved the imprints (proven wrong by Dr. Andrew Snelling), likely the sun has only been a star 13,000 years. I do find it interesting that evolutionists are always dating a rock, and making this leap of faith, that this means the fossils that are buried are as old as the rock sediments, as far as the sun, the evolutionists dated the age of the sun, using a moon rock and say, see, the sun is at least as old as this rock. The bible says God made the heaven and the earth in the beginning, this means its possible this happened 4.6 billion years ago, or longer in relation to the other stars(light takes how many light years to reach the earth), but the sun has only been a star, biblically 13,000 years ago(depending on how you interprete a creation day), and the core harmonics of the sun, is evidence it really is a very young star, granted it will probably never end up a black hole, but this does not mean its core is not compressing, as neutrons, protons, are left behind, etc...
P.S. Given the earth is a watery world, and the evidence that even the polar regions were tropical, it makes sense if it didn't rain the clouds would of rose as a canopy high in the sky.Whatever, the theory goes that the basalt lava's also outpoured over the entire oceans floor, covering the entire ocean floor.Coragyps, Boiling the oceans, adding even more heat than that contributed by all that 800-degree steam bursting forth. Can't you see how absurd all this is?Whatever, Yep, it does sound absurd, this is why I'm interested if they have profile dated the entire basalt ocean floor, if all dates the same age, not getting progressively older, then the lava outpoured suddenly, but then again were talking a whole lot of water to mitigate the temps, and with all the snow coming down forming the glaciers, suddenly, but even so, it would be interesting to see some scientific study that says that they have dated the basalt oceans floor, an age profile across the entire oceans floor, that confirms one way or the other if the basalt was laid down suddenly, or over hundreds of millions of years.[This message has been edited by whatever, 12-23-2003][This message has been edited by whatever, 12-23-2003]