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Dr Jack
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Message 52 of 165 (48002)
07-30-2003 9:01 AM


I am not against gay marriage, but I think Male-Female couples should be given preference when it comes to adoption. I also think children should be placed with parents of the same ethnic grouping where possible.
Why? Well, not because gays will pervert these poor innocent children, nor because they might be paedophiles (you'd be amazed at the number of ignorant bigots who say 'homosexuals/pedophiles'). But because I think there's resonable evidence that having a mother and father is the best environment for a child to be raised in. Gay couples should still be given preference over single parents though, two parents better than one.
Am an ignorant bigot now (damnit, I hate when that happens).

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Dr Jack
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Message 54 of 165 (48023)
07-30-2003 11:05 AM
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07-30-2003 10:17 AM


I think there's evidence, but I'm insufficently knowledgable about the subject to give a definite answer.

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Dr Jack
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Message 56 of 165 (48043)
07-30-2003 12:30 PM


What are you planning to do to become more sure? Might you consider withholding judgement until such time as you become more sure?
I plan on doing nothing to become more sure, other than the usual general gathering of information that is part of my life. I do not consider rendering an opinion on a discussion board 'judgement'. My opinions have no bearing of any kind on the progression of whether or not gays are allowed to marry (which I already support), or adopt (which I support, but with the reservation that hetero couples should be prefered), nor are they likely to in the near future. Should they ever be relevant then, yes, I would thoroughly research the issue.
My opinion is based on what I know about child development, most of which comes from following a Introduction to Psychology course at university. Children from single parent families generally do less well than parents from two parent families and exhibit more behavioural problems. They do this even if the child is raised in the home of the mother, and effectively raised by the mother's mother, the mother and, in some cases, extended family. However, research in America has found that by introducing strong male role models into the social and school lives of children raised by single parents in deprived areas of Los Angeles it is possible to significantly reduce these problems.
I therefor conclude that children, probably, require both male and female parent figures in their lives in order to have the best possible development. Would you agree this is a reasonable conclusion from that evidence?

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Dr Jack
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Message 63 of 165 (48141)
07-31-2003 5:40 AM


know of much different evidence that shows that children raised by gay parents show no difference in outcome compared to children raised by straight parents (for example, the Bay Area Family Study and the Contemporary Family Study).
Are these available online? Can you provide a link to them?

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Dr Jack
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Message 68 of 165 (48160)
07-31-2003 8:47 AM


Ok, I'm convinced. I withdraw my earlier opinion, in favour of this new one: Gays should be allowed to marry, and adopt on an equal footing to heterosexual couples.

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