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derwood
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Message 7 of 165 (46621)
07-21-2003 12:27 AM


I have no problem with "gay marriage". I do have a problem with gay couples raising children - NOT because I think the couple will try to "turn the kid gay" or anything, but because our largely backward society is not ready for it, and will make the kid suffer because they "disapprove" of the parents.
When I was growing up, there was a racially mixed couple with 3 kids, all of whom rode on the same bus I took. Some of the other kids would call them nigger and such, because, I have little doubt, their parents instilled this hatred in them. Sadly, I see no reason to think that such intolerance - magnified - will be present in large numbers of people today, and the kids of gay couples will be the targets.
I know many - MANY - heterosexual couples that have no right to copulate, much less have childrenm but of course they do. It is a sad - and sickening - statment on our society.

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derwood
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Message 23 of 165 (46900)
07-22-2003 12:51 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by crashfrog
07-21-2003 12:32 AM


quote:
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but because our largely backward society is not ready for it, and will make the kid suffer because they "disapprove" of the parents.
I think that all depends where you live. In any case, don't you think that's a decision best left to the prospective parents?
Are we not to allow white folk to adopt Chinese babies because of the spectre of racism, either?
Of course it depends on where you live, I should have been clearer. I also didn't say it shouldn't be allowed, just that I have a problem with it. I know that I would not want to use children in some sort of social experiment, in the name of 'rights.'
As far as inter-racial adoptions being compared to this, I don't think it is a legitimate analogy. I don't think the white folks that adopt a chinese baby will have to worry about gangs of chinese harrassing and beating them up.

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derwood
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Message 47 of 165 (47902)
07-29-2003 1:18 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by nator
07-23-2003 6:41 PM


bizarre extrapolations
Schraf:
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Um, where the heck did Scott say or even remotely imply anything close to the extreme viewpoint you just accused him of holding?
You invent things to rail against sometimes
Indeed - in FACT, my views are quite the opposite of what has been implied.
I SUPPORT "gay rights". I SUPPORT "civil unions." I SUPPORT anti-discrimination laws. I even SUPPORT the "right" of homosexuals adopting children, I just don't think that, at this point in out cultural history, it is (always) a good thing. NOT because, as I made clear, I have anything against gay people, but because I think that the children would be victims of harrassment - a harrassment quite unlike the harrassment that inter-racial adoptees receive, as racial harrassment is at least publicly frowned upon by most of America, while it seems a pretty good chunk of America sees no problem with outright discrimination against - if not the persecution of - homosexuals.
So I am in NO WAYT making gays out to be the bad guys. Indeed, I am 'making' the anti-gays out to be the bad guys - and yes, they are most likely the same 'white-supremicist' types that were mentioned.
As far as the 'social experiment', again, I did not write or even imply that gay couples would want to adopt BECAUSE they wanted to perform a social experiment, rather gay adoption ends up BEING a de facto social experiment.
Please do not read what is not written.

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derwood
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Message 48 of 165 (47903)
07-29-2003 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 37 by crashfrog
07-28-2003 2:34 AM


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What's not to understand about gay people? Sexual preference is just that, a preference, like your favorite flavor of ice cream, for instance.
Right. And lots of folks - about 6 million - just felt like trying out Judaism in 1933.... Probably to piss off their parents and go against societal norms. Most likely caused by that devil music and atheism...

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derwood
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Message 58 of 165 (48056)
07-30-2003 3:09 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Rrhain
07-30-2003 2:05 AM


Re: bizarre extrapolations
Whatever...
I thought the overall context should have made things clear.

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derwood
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Message 72 of 165 (48189)
07-31-2003 11:12 AM
Reply to: Message 64 by Mammuthus
07-31-2003 8:04 AM


hypocrisy
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The irony I find with Frist and Bush is they mouth off about "freedom", small government, government not intruding in the life of others...and there they are supporting just the opposite...maybe the constitution should be amended to declare that corrupt nitwits should not be allowed to hold office.....
Un-friggin-believable, the hypocrisy the Right shows at every turn. The anti-sodomy law flap is a case in point.
No "big gubment". No intrusion. Freedom - cuz afterall, them terrorists HATE freedom (which is one of the absolute STUPIDEST things I've ever heard...). Individual rights.
Unless, of course, you is one a-dem gay faggits - THEN its ok for the Fedral Gummint to knock down your doors to make sure you isn't touching each others privates... In your own home...

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derwood
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Message 74 of 165 (48197)
07-31-2003 11:29 AM
Reply to: Message 73 by Dan Carroll
07-31-2003 11:20 AM


Re: hypocrisy
LOL
Indeed...

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