Science explains everything?

I say science can't explain everything if there are no gods. If there are gods then we would be able to measure or in some way come to detect/know all things.Thus since people believe science can't explain everything, it would seem gods don't exist.If I'm right.Does that work for you? Whether gods exist or not, science was built to explain certain things and not others. By its own nature it cannot "explain" everything, and that is without the added issue of limited (finite) vantage points and resources which may physically prevent full knowledge of "everything it was designed to explain".

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

Surely you realize you are not the lone exception to human frailty.Seeking common ground is a two way street, and declaring everyone else's understanding flawed isn't seeking for anything. I suggest that if you return to your Do we affect the" physical " indepentent of the laws of physics thread and try to understand the reasons behind other's opinions that you'll make better progress.--Percy

Interesting point of view. I, for one, would be interesting in seeing the logic behind this.

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

No it doesn't work for me. Here is why.First off, I don't think science was "built" to explain certain things and not others. If it physically exists, then it should be able to be explained. Thats the scientific method, observing natural phenomena, and trying to explain it.What things is it not designed to explain? The perfect crime? I do not think that it exists. All things leave behind a trace. We may not be able to measure it yet, but it's there. We may even be able to travel through time one day, or at least see through it. We look "back in time" in astronomy all the time now.Let me just whip out my tri-corder, and I'll show you...This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 03-10-2006 08:38 AM

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What things is it not designed to explain?

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My purpose in life.My place in society.Why I should donate money to the university scholarship fund.Whether I should have ice cream or pudding for desert.

I mean I could be very wrong.But I thought I expressed the logic in that first statement.Everything that happens in our universe, our demension, leaves behind a physical tangable evidence of what took place. So theorhetically it could be measured.If there is other demensions, or a God, that is way above all that we see, and can touch. Then He designed it, and could have, made it in a way that limits us in our ability to measure it.If the universe is 3 feet long, and we only have a 2 foot ruler, and no way to add the numbers, then we can't measure it. That last foot remains to be unseen.Same thing with the speed of light. If that is our physical speed limit of the universe, and no other way around it, like portals or something, then most likely we will not get to actually travel to a place that is billions of light years away.To me it is like we are contained within a box. 3d

It is designed to help us understand (through model building) natural phenomena. It is not designed to get at the absolute metaphysics behind these things. It might be able to, but we cannot know this, nor use science to find out.And no, just because something physically exists it does not have to be explainable. It is quite possible that a natural phenomena is beyond our ability to accurately understand it, or even perceive it. Is there a logical reason that because something exists we'd have to be able to understand it? It cannot explain what my purpose is in life. It cannot tell me what I should do. Generally anything which involves a subjective feeling, cannot be modelled by science. Of course science may one day be able to explain how thoughts are generated and guess at what you might like, but then that still can't tell you what your purpose is or what you should do. You realize that because of the limits of space-time as we currently understand them, there is only so far we can look back, and sections of the universe which will always be cut off from our observations?

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holmes
"What you need is sustained outrage...there's far too much unthinking respect given to authority." (M.Ivins)

It is designed to explain it.
If evrything were truely measurable then science could predict what choices you were going to make, and how you would fell about making those choices.The formula for figuring it would be incredible. You would have to know your genetic make-up, every experience you ever had, and so-on.It is probably along the lines of determinism.I don't think it is so far fetched to be able to come up with the answers. Just look at what we come up with now, as compared to then. If I transported you back in time, and you started explaining certain things to people back then, you would be looked at as some sort of fortune teller, or witch or something. You would know there is a scientific explanation for it, but they wouldn't.

Yes, and no. I think it is possible. See my last post.
If it can't, then what can? Are feelings really subjective? Sure, why not. If we knew where we came from, and how we got here, and a few other things, we would have the answer. Stop living in today. That's a narrow minded view of it all.really, I expect more from the scientists here.It's almost like your saying God did it, like a creationist. It's a miracle!

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It is designed to explain it.

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No, it's not.Science simply cannot explain my (or your) purpose in life. Science cannot explain how I should live my life. Science cannot explain what is right and what is wrong.This doesn't matter whether or not there is a god. Science is a very narrow discipline with a very narrow purpose.

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

Science denies the existence of the spirit because it is limited only to what is observable. Like man, we can see the brain but we can not see the mind; we experience dreaming but we can not interpret our dreams; or, better yet we study about life but we can't even duplicate it.This message has been edited by R. Cuaresma, 03-10-2006 09:01 AM

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Science denies the existence of the spirit because it is limited only to what is observable.

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Correction: Science has nothing whatsoever to say of the spirit because it is limited to what is observable.

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

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The formula for figuring it would be incredible. You would have to know your genetic make-up, every experience you ever had, and so-on.

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What does any of this have to do with anything that I said? What does any of this have to do with my purpose in life, my place in the cosmos, or what is right and wrong?

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"Intellectually, scientifically, even artistically, fundamentalism -- biblical literalism -- is a road to nowhere, because it insists on fidelity to revealed truths that are not true." -- Katha Pollitt

Ultimately, all science is just physics. Chemistry is at a slightly higher level than physics, but at heart it is still just physics. Cosmology is sort of the history of the universe according to physics, and so is still just physics. Geology is the behavior of vast aggregates of matter over time, but is still just physics. Biology is the study of extremely complex organic chemistry, but all the matter in all creatures still obeys the laws of physics. While the more you consider the behavior of matter in the aggregate the more complex the analysis becomes, it is all still just physics.On the other hand, I don't see how the difference between right and wrong or the search for meaning in the universe could ever be reduced to physics, and so I don't see how it could ever be addressed by science.--Percy

Yes, things are a 2 way street. However I did not ever say that anyone was flawed. What I said was the obvious. It is my belief that those here understood my question. Choices were made. It is the motives in my view that are suspect. From my point of view a game was played.