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Author Topic:   Were The Prophets/Messiahs Jesus and Mohammed Inspired By The Same God?
jar
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Message 271 of 299 (273787)
12-29-2005 9:39 AM
Reply to: Message 260 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 12:49 AM


Re: Still a few questions outstanding buz
It's obvious that you refuse to answer because you know your premise is faulty and that infact Islam, Judaism and Christianity were inspired by the same GOD and infact all three religions do worship the same GOD.
So once again...
How many GODs are there?
Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 272 of 299 (273810)
12-29-2005 11:14 AM


Never mind, Buz, there is no way to have a discussion with Jar, or nwr, or RevDG or Arach. It doesn't matter what you say, no matter how we prove them wrong, they just trudge right ahead as if we'd said nothing, repeating their same old nonsense, and backed by the admins, Asgara and Ben in this case. Remarkable phenomenon. No point in beating one's head against this brick wall any more.

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Message 273 of 299 (273951)
12-29-2005 6:42 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by arachnophilia
12-29-2005 2:02 AM


Re: Still a few questions outstanding buz
Arach writes:
i'm sorry, where's the name of god in the new testament again? i can;t find it.
remember -- we're limited to new testament arguments here. if it's not in the nt, it's out, as buz reminded me.
You do raise a good point here, Arach. However there is a very good reason you don't see it in the NT. Take a look at the Lord's prayer and the numerous NT texts where Jesus refers to God the father.
With the Lord's prayer, for example Jesus instructed the desciples to pray calling God "Father." Why? Because in John 3:3 and other places it was taught by Jesus and his desciples that to become fit for God's kingdom, one must be born from above by the Holy Spirit of God. This is also known as the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I Corinthians 12:13 teaches that we are all (Christians) baptized into one body by one spirit." How does one get the spirit in them? John 1:12: As many as received him, to them he gave power to become the sons (children) of God. How does one receive Jesus, i.e. his spirit? Romans 10:13: Whoever shall call on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved. (parenthesis mine)
In other places Jesus told the desciples that what ever they asked the Father in his name, they would receive, assuming, of course that they were closely following him. Most children do not call their parents by their names, but, mom & dad. As children of God, we don't call God our spiritual father by his name either but call him Father.
During the OT dispensation, this was not so. The Holy Spirit and Penticost had not come until the sacrificial death of Jesus for our sins after which God actually allowed men to be born again or be born of his Holy Spirit.
Note also, that the followers of Muhammed were not so instructed, but instructed to call their god, Allah by his name as was the case in the Biblical OT times with the god, Jehovah. The followers of Allah were not instructed by Muhammed, Allah's prophet to be born again by the spirit of God as were Christians by Jesus. Muhammed and Jesus were inspired by totally diverse spirits, diametrically opposed to one another. Thus the incompatibility of the followers of the two respective gods/spirits throughout Islamic history. You just don't go on the streets of Saudi Arabia and preach Jesus. He's not Allah's son. He's Jehovah's son.
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Buzsaw
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Message 274 of 299 (273954)
12-29-2005 6:55 PM
Reply to: Message 268 by ReverendDG
12-29-2005 3:11 AM


Re: It depends whose right
Rev DG, I see nothing solid in your link to substantiate anything. An indebth study of the name is not for this thread, but I see a lot of conjecture in the link.

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Message 275 of 299 (273955)
12-29-2005 6:58 PM
Reply to: Message 271 by jar
12-29-2005 9:39 AM


Re: Still a few questions outstanding buz
Jar: Yada, yada.
Buz response: Yada, yada, been there; done that.

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jar
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Message 276 of 299 (273958)
12-29-2005 7:03 PM
Reply to: Message 275 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 6:58 PM


buz still does not even try to discuss the issue, once again ignores questions asked.
So once again...
How many GODs are there?
Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Buzsaw
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Message 277 of 299 (273960)
12-29-2005 7:06 PM
Reply to: Message 270 by nwr
12-29-2005 8:21 AM


Re: Theist vs. atheist positions
nwr writes:
That is pretty much what I would take to be the theist position. You are inspired by that one true God. You worship that one true God.
......and, pray tell, all prophets who, through inspiration of the true God, should prophesy, without contradiction of one another, shouldn't they?

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Message 278 of 299 (273964)
12-29-2005 7:20 PM
Reply to: Message 277 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 7:06 PM


Re: Theist vs. atheist positions
......and, pray tell, all prophets who, through inspiration of the true God, should prophesy, without contradiction of one another, shouldn't they?
Only if they are infallible. However, prophets are fallible humans.

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Buzsaw
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Message 279 of 299 (273966)
12-29-2005 7:26 PM
Reply to: Message 276 by jar
12-29-2005 7:03 PM


Looser Filibuster?
So once again...
How many GODs are there?
Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac?
1. There's one true god and many false gods. False gods inspire into their prophets different messages than the true god inspires his prophets with. Note in the OT how Elijah contended with the prophets of Baal who prophesied different messages than what his god inspired into him. So I guess the answer is that there are many gods.
Imo, the one true god is the god of the Holy Spirit, Jehovah. False gods are gods of spirits, spirits who both exist and inspire men do teach and do their bidding.
2. I'm not aware that Jesus said that. Are you?
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Message 280 of 299 (273969)
12-29-2005 7:30 PM
Reply to: Message 278 by nwr
12-29-2005 7:20 PM


Re: Theist vs. atheist positions
nwr writes:
Only if they are infallible. However, prophets are fallible humans.
How do you know that? According to the scriptures, fallible Jeremiah, Elijah and Elisha both always prophesied truth.

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jar
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Message 281 of 299 (273972)
12-29-2005 7:39 PM
Reply to: Message 279 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 7:26 PM


Re: Looser Filibuster?
Yes Jesus did say that and I quoted it in Message 106.
Okay so we agree there is one GOD and that Jesus says GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac.
So far is that correct?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 282 of 299 (273993)
12-29-2005 9:08 PM
Reply to: Message 281 by jar
12-29-2005 7:39 PM


Re: Looser Filibuster?
jar writes:
Yes Jesus did say that and I quoted it in Really? (Message 106).
Jesus didn't say it. He asked his adversaries if they had read it in the OT scriptures. He is quoting God in OT scripture. If you had asked if Jesus believed it, I would have answered differently. If you want quick answers, I suggest as admin Ben implied that you elaborate enough for clarification or state your point when folks decline an answer. Knowing you, one never knows what you're up to.
jar writes:
Okay so we agree there is one GOD and that Jesus says GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac.
We know that Jesus believed that God is the god of Abraham and Isaac. We do not agree that there is one god. Reread what I said. There's one true god and many false gods, many of them being associated with existing spirits capable of inspiring humans.
jar writes:
So far is that correct?
No. You were incorrect. You would save us time and Percy's bandwidth if you'd read exactly what I say and stick to what I said. Please stop trying to put words into my mouth.

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jar
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Message 283 of 299 (273994)
12-29-2005 9:11 PM
Reply to: Message 282 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 9:08 PM


Re: Looser Filibuster?
So is there one true GOD?
Is it the God of Abraham and Isaac?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Message 284 of 299 (273997)
12-29-2005 9:19 PM
Reply to: Message 280 by Buzsaw
12-29-2005 7:30 PM


Re: Theist vs. atheist positions
How do you know that?
They are human, aren't they?
According to the scriptures, fallible Jeremiah, Elijah and Elisha both always prophesied truth.
That they are fallible does not guarantee that they will fail. It simply says that there is no guarantee that they won't fail.

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Buzsaw
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Message 285 of 299 (274005)
12-29-2005 9:32 PM
Reply to: Message 283 by jar
12-29-2005 9:11 PM


Re: Looser Filibuster?
jar writes:
So is there one true GOD?
Is it the God of Abraham and Isaac?
There is one true God and he is the God of Abraham and Isaac.

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