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Author | Topic: Were The Prophets/Messiahs Jesus and Mohammed Inspired By The Same God? | |||||||||||||||||||
jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
It's obvious that you refuse to answer because you know your premise is faulty and that infact Islam, Judaism and Christianity were inspired by the same GOD and infact all three religions do worship the same GOD.
So once again... How many GODs are there? Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1472 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
Never mind, Buz, there is no way to have a discussion with Jar, or nwr, or RevDG or Arach. It doesn't matter what you say, no matter how we prove them wrong, they just trudge right ahead as if we'd said nothing, repeating their same old nonsense, and backed by the admins, Asgara and Ben in this case. Remarkable phenomenon. No point in beating one's head against this brick wall any more.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Arach writes: i'm sorry, where's the name of god in the new testament again? i can;t find it. remember -- we're limited to new testament arguments here. if it's not in the nt, it's out, as buz reminded me. You do raise a good point here, Arach. However there is a very good reason you don't see it in the NT. Take a look at the Lord's prayer and the numerous NT texts where Jesus refers to God the father.With the Lord's prayer, for example Jesus instructed the desciples to pray calling God "Father." Why? Because in John 3:3 and other places it was taught by Jesus and his desciples that to become fit for God's kingdom, one must be born from above by the Holy Spirit of God. This is also known as the baptism of the Holy Spirit. I Corinthians 12:13 teaches that we are all (Christians) baptized into one body by one spirit." How does one get the spirit in them? John 1:12: As many as received him, to them he gave power to become the sons (children) of God. How does one receive Jesus, i.e. his spirit? Romans 10:13: Whoever shall call on the name of the Lord (Jesus) will be saved. (parenthesis mine) In other places Jesus told the desciples that what ever they asked the Father in his name, they would receive, assuming, of course that they were closely following him. Most children do not call their parents by their names, but, mom & dad. As children of God, we don't call God our spiritual father by his name either but call him Father.During the OT dispensation, this was not so. The Holy Spirit and Penticost had not come until the sacrificial death of Jesus for our sins after which God actually allowed men to be born again or be born of his Holy Spirit. Note also, that the followers of Muhammed were not so instructed, but instructed to call their god, Allah by his name as was the case in the Biblical OT times with the god, Jehovah. The followers of Allah were not instructed by Muhammed, Allah's prophet to be born again by the spirit of God as were Christians by Jesus. Muhammed and Jesus were inspired by totally diverse spirits, diametrically opposed to one another. Thus the incompatibility of the followers of the two respective gods/spirits throughout Islamic history. You just don't go on the streets of Saudi Arabia and preach Jesus. He's not Allah's son. He's Jehovah's son. Edited to correct smilies legend. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 12-29-2005 06:44 PM From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Rev DG, I see nothing solid in your link to substantiate anything. An indebth study of the name is not for this thread, but I see a lot of conjecture in the link.
From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Jar: Yada, yada.
Buz response: Yada, yada, been there; done that. From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So once again...
How many GODs are there? Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
nwr writes: That is pretty much what I would take to be the theist position. You are inspired by that one true God. You worship that one true God. ......and, pray tell, all prophets who, through inspiration of the true God, should prophesy, without contradiction of one another, shouldn't they? From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
......and, pray tell, all prophets who, through inspiration of the true God, should prophesy, without contradiction of one another, shouldn't they?
Only if they are infallible. However, prophets are fallible humans.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
So once again... How many GODs are there? Did Jesus say that GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac? 1. There's one true god and many false gods. False gods inspire into their prophets different messages than the true god inspires his prophets with. Note in the OT how Elijah contended with the prophets of Baal who prophesied different messages than what his god inspired into him. So I guess the answer is that there are many gods. Imo, the one true god is the god of the Holy Spirit, Jehovah. False gods are gods of spirits, spirits who both exist and inspire men do teach and do their bidding. 2. I'm not aware that Jesus said that. Are you? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
nwr writes: Only if they are infallible. However, prophets are fallible humans. How do you know that? According to the scriptures, fallible Jeremiah, Elijah and Elisha both always prophesied truth. From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
Yes Jesus did say that and I quoted it in Message 106.
Okay so we agree there is one GOD and that Jesus says GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac. So far is that correct? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: Yes Jesus did say that and I quoted it in Really? (Message 106). Jesus didn't say it. He asked his adversaries if they had read it in the OT scriptures. He is quoting God in OT scripture. If you had asked if Jesus believed it, I would have answered differently. If you want quick answers, I suggest as admin Ben implied that you elaborate enough for clarification or state your point when folks decline an answer. Knowing you, one never knows what you're up to.
jar writes: Okay so we agree there is one GOD and that Jesus says GOD is the God of Abraham and Isaac. We know that Jesus believed that God is the god of Abraham and Isaac. We do not agree that there is one god. Reread what I said. There's one true god and many false gods, many of them being associated with existing spirits capable of inspiring humans.
jar writes: No. You were incorrect. You would save us time and Percy's bandwidth if you'd read exactly what I say and stick to what I said. Please stop trying to put words into my mouth. So far is that correct? From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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jar Member (Idle past 422 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: |
So is there one true GOD?
Is it the God of Abraham and Isaac? Aslan is not a Tame Lion
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nwr Member Posts: 6412 From: Geneva, Illinois Joined: Member Rating: 4.5 |
How do you know that?
They are human, aren't they?
According to the scriptures, fallible Jeremiah, Elijah and Elisha both always prophesied truth.
That they are fallible does not guarantee that they will fail. It simply says that there is no guarantee that they won't fail.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
jar writes: So is there one true GOD?Is it the God of Abraham and Isaac? There is one true God and he is the God of Abraham and Isaac. From "THE MONKEY'S VIEWPOINT: Man descended, the ornery cuss, but he surely did not descend from us!"
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