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The Evolution of God (Before Genesis 1:1)

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Message 20 of 73 (445021)
12-31-2007 9:41 PM 		Reply to: Message 18 by NOT JULIUS
12-31-2007 9:15 PM

Power is not energy. Rather, it is the rate of energy use (or production). The scientific meaning of "power" is different from the common language meaning of "power". You seem to be confusing the two.
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A murderer uses energy when he shoots his victims. A robber uses energy to power his getaway car. It seems to me that your thesis makes God an accomplice to all crimes. I would have thought that blasphemous.
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Message 24 of 73 (445113)
01-01-2008 9:10 AM 		Reply to: Message 22 by NOT JULIUS
01-01-2008 8:58 AM

Is the idea of electrical energy = electrical power not understandable to you?
Completely understandable, and false.
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What about solar power = solar energy?
Also false.
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In the minds of many God is not science, and the Bible is not a science book. Do you agree?
That, I agree with.
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01-01-2008 9:31 AM 		Reply to: Message 26 by NOT JULIUS
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A tinsmith makes knives. Murderers use knife to kill. Therefore, a tinsmith is accomplice to the crime?
That's an entirely different situation. The tinsmith is not the knife, and the tinsmith is not a participant in the crime.
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If God is energy, as you claim, then God is a participant in the crime.
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01-01-2008 10:09 AM 		Reply to: Message 31 by NOT JULIUS
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Do you agree that the energy in your previous quote was not participant of the crime but was misused / abused by the criminal?
Yes, I can agree to that. But then I don't try to personify energy.
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Are you saying that God being energy and without his own free will participated in the crime?
I did not say anything about free will. And it was you who said that God is energy (in the opening post).
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Or do you get the idea that God being made up of energy--as opposed to flesh and blood--and being able to give that energy, allows men to misuse HIS energy?
That's a big change from what you originally stated, and it avoids the problem I pointed out.
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01-01-2008 1:25 PM 		Reply to: Message 35 by NOT JULIUS
01-01-2008 1:12 PM

Think about God as power according to Gen 1:1, ...
But that's a different meaning of "power", not related to the scientific meaning, and not related to energy. It is a bit more akin to political power, roughly the ability to command and have those commands carried out.
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I think you are making a big mistake by trying to connect this to scientific concepts of power and energy.
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01-01-2008 7:56 PM 		Reply to: Message 40 by NOT JULIUS
01-01-2008 6:58 PM

Or is it more akin to use of an awesome energy force?
It isn't at all like an awesome energy force.
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01-02-2008 3:01 PM 		Reply to: Message 44 by NOT JULIUS
01-02-2008 2:31 PM

That appears to me to be awesome energy force.
If there had been instruments present to measure energy, the chances are that those instruments would not have registered anything at all.
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