Old Earth Flood Geology

Everyone did drown that was not on the ark, all the cattle perished except on the ark. All the creatures on the surface of the earth perished (fossil record) the ones that didn't perish were above the surface of the earth not within the surface of the earth. (platapus, kangaroo, snakes, insects, trees floated, fish, whales, earthworms, etc...). Some insects survived by freezing in the glaciers believed to of resulted from the fountains of the deep erupting upwards with the creationists water canopy too coming down in the form of ice, snow, in the northern hemisphere.The bible is quite clear that not all creatures perished some survived above the surface of the earth, the cattle being hoofed creatures all drowned except those on the ark.Is not this why no hoofed creatures are native to australia, its quite obvious they all perished in the biblical flood. The floating mats floated upward kangaroo, snakes, birds, platapus in the southern hemisphere survived. Why is there not glaciers in Australia, only in the northern hemisphere, surely it was not global cooling if the earth was going thru a massive global cooling phase then why is there not evidence of massive glaciation in Australia too. This is only evidence supporting the glaciers happened suddenly unless you have evidence of massive glaciation in australia? You have to go to the word to understand where the water was and where it went. To clarify the creationists talk of the water canopy welling up above the atmosphere and massive water in the fountains of the deep being broken up. When drilling deep within the earth all they find is broken up rock filled with water in agreement with the bible. all the fountains of the deep have been broken up. After the flood this massive amounts of water being released pressed down increasing the depth of the oceans. Evidence for this is the seamounts in the pacific ocean 1/2 mile under the wave base. Either the oceans floor sunk or the water rose or both. The evidence clearly shows that elements only decay, thus the bigger issue is when did these elements that are decaying form. It should be obvious that the sediments themselves prevent neutrons from fusion into more complex elements thus the elements that are decaying were formed before the earth itself was formed. This means the earth could quite well be a young earth, and the elements themselves much older. All you have is the fossil evidences that infer the earth since creation is no older than 12,000 years old. If one day is as a thousand years. kjv 2 peter 3:8 Talkorigins is only smoke and mirrors in respect to the sciences. They should know that the elements they say infer an old earth could only of been formed pre-earth. If the elements they are dating were formed pre-earth then it has no bearing to the age of the earth but the age the elements were fused pre-earth.In space how does one even know how fast neutrons can morph into more complex elements in respect to time and space. Yet the evolutionists say this is proof the earth is an old earth is only but a word salad they feed the world as proof that evolution had millions of years when the evidence (the sediment particle prevents neutron fusion), alpha decay is not evidence of an old earth, etc...

No native creatures only support the biblical flood was a world flood. I've heard 600 million years ago is not proof, I agree glacier exists in antartica, in the mountains of south america but requesting evidence of glacial movements like seen in North America, Europe, etc... in the southern hemisphere. We have glaciers in the himalayans too, but were looking for glacial fronts pressing across Australia like you see pressed out lakes as expressed in Canada, the United States, Europe, and Asia that should be expressed in Australia if the earth was experiencing global cooling. Can't you see the dicotomy with the flood waters this weight pressing down is in part how the mantle pressed down. If you take all the water that was removed this too from the creationists perspective contributed to the pressing downward of the seamounts. So were in agreement all the radioactive elements decaying were created pre-earth. Your not factoring in that super heated waters would be welling up above the atmosphere as a vapor. Water vapor in space has no pressure so it would not be a problem heat wise because as the earth rotates this super heated vapor cools. This super cooled vapor its still a vapor waiting to return to the earth. When this super cooled vapor return to the atmosphere pressure it only return as ice rain, snow, etc... If the earth didn't rotate perhaps we would have a problem with overheating the earth. As is its only supportive evidence supporting the biblical flood senerio. I agree sometimes your able to date accurately volcanic rock as long as you tell the testing site how old you believe the rock to be. The problem in part is that the scale paleontologists is so great and so many assumptions that its not believable. Like perhaps why is the zircon in granites not totally destroyed by alpha decay if they are billions of years old. These zircons based off humphreys helium diffusion makes them only 6,000 years old.It does sort of support the earth is only 6,000 years old though I believe the fossils suggests the earth being 12,000 years is in agreement with kjv 2 peter 3:8.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

Compelling evidence for the Younger Dryas has subsequently been documented from sites throughout the Northern Hemisphere, from regions as diverse as the Arabian Sea and Greenland, but is still lacking from the Southern Hemisphere where the existence of a Younger Dryas stade is strongly disputed.------------------------------------The nature of the last glacial termination in the Northern Hemisphere has been well constrained through a wide variety of proxy. Warming following the LGM was not unbroken but was punctuated by a climatic reversal at ~14.7 ka BP and by the Younger Dryas Stade at ~11 ka BP. The Younger Dryas in particular has received much attention because of the extremely rapid climate changes involved and because of its apparent severity in the North Atlantic region, where temperatures may have returned briefly to full glacial values. Compelling evidence for the Younger Dryas has subsequently been documented from sites throughout the Northern Hemisphere, from regions as diverse as the Arabian Sea and Greenland, but is still lacking from the Southern Hemisphere where the existence of a Younger Dryas stade is strongly disputed.Page not found - Climate Change Institute

In space things cool much slower due to the nothingness of space however space stations cooling heat exchangers radiate heat to space on the darkside of the earth. In fact the water in the heatexchangers get so cold on the darkside of the earth they need to have anti-freeze. Meaning in space above the atmosphere heat doesn't follow the normal rules of diffusion in respect to weather thermodynamics, etc... Its documented in the bible that people lived longer before the flood and for near a thousand years after the flood. Its believed its due to the water canopy above the atmosphere, that it didn't all just fall back to the earth. I guess I'm in agreement with you that gravity being weaker it took near a thousand years for the water vapor to mitigate back to the earth. Perhaps it too explains in part how the asteroid fields formed beyond Mars that not all the water vapor was able to return to the earth. In part your correct which is why the basalt mid-ocean ridges rose up after the water cavitating out of the earth eroded the more dense oceanic crust it rose in respect to the more plastic lighter basalt rock that makes up the 45,000 miles of the mid-ocean ridges.Your premise of density is in part how the creationists explain how the oceans sank after the flood water also perhaps explain how the trenches were sucked down because of the plastisity of the basalt mid-ocean ridges rising up as the oceans floor sunk in respect to gravity and the need to displace the water space that had displaced water upwards into the upper atmosphere. Yes those native animals so famous in Australia actually support the biblical flood. The floating mats of vegetation and these creatures ability to cling, swim gave them an ability to survive in the southern hemisphere. The bible does not say all life perished not on the ark, only that all life perished on the surface of the earth. It then gives an example of the olive branch surviving in agreement with the Platapus, Kangaroo, and a whole host of creatures only native to Australia.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

I agree that the effective temperature of space looking away from the sun is only a few degrees above absolute zero.Given ultra-violet radiation passes thru water vapor on the sunny side of the earth this super cooled water vapor is not reheated on the sunny side of the earth.The space stations have heat exchangers which is able to absorb the ultraviolet rays, not so in respect to the water vapor in space.

When you look at the fossil sizes in the fossil record you find some excessive size insects, in fact all the fossils were once much bigger than today Why? One answer creationists give is water vapor existed above the atmosphere pressing down on the atmosphere allowing insects to grow much larger.The size of insects is based on exoskeleton pore sizes(how its able to breathe). With more Co2 in the atmosphere you had more oxygen generation from the plants. Plants too in the fossil record grew much larger is believed by some creationists due to their ability to absorb more Co2 from the atmosphere. The creationists water canopy is a viable scientific agreeable way to pressurize the atmosphere to explain how come insects, plants were able to reach such large sizes not possible with present atmospheric pressures.With more Co2 you have more oxygen being produced producing more ozone to help shield the earth from excessive radiation.With alternative energies you simply are not giving anything back to the environment. The plants need Co2 to generate Oxygen Co2 has nothing to due in respect to global warming. Well .28 of a percent of the total global warming gases is from all man made contributions is so near nothing that the global warming senerio is nothing but a scam to tax Co2 emissions to generate a new tax, it has nothing to do with science. It makes more sense that the trenches were sucked down as the mid-ocean ridges rose. The mid-ocean ridges are made of basalt it will not get more dense over time.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

More Co2 taken in the more oxygen is produced in agreement with the higher oxygen content in the carboniferous period. If the atmosphere was pressurized by a water vapor canopy above the atmosphere then less Co2 would be needed to produce the 40 % oxygen in the carboniferous period.Water vapor above the atmosphere is not a liquid so the creationists belief in a water vapor canopy is not unscientific. More pressure more oxygen taken in, the bigger the insect is able to grow. I'll agree basalt is after it cooled is more dense, but the spreading of the plate can be explained that the tecktonic plates are floating not pressing under the continents. Its more likely that the plates crushed under the continents than slid under the continents causing the uprising of the mountains on the continents.Then when the mid-ocean ridges rose you had pressures pressing under the ocean tecktonic plates. The basalt mid-ocean ridges released the pressures inward so the trenches explained by some creationists explain were sucked inward as the basalt 45,000 miles of mid-ocean ridges balloned outwards.If the creationists are right then the continents crushed the tecktonic plates so the tecktonic plates are actually floating pressing toward the trenches slowly away from the mid-ocean ridges and toward the trenches(centimeters per year).It simply doesn't make too much sense that the plates are subducting under the continental masses its more believable that they crushed under the continental masses.Atmospheric pressures would have helped drive this subduction from the trenches to the mid-ocean ridges if the plates crushed not slipped under the continent masses. The pressures by the rising mid- ocean ridges would develop an internal pressure the atmosphere would help the trenches press inward because of internal pressures, etc... If the mantle is being sucked inward then its not only the old crust being pushed into the earth. Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

Vacuum pressure sucks inward, with the mid-ocean ridges rising you develop internal pressure inward. With the rocks crushed over the trenches it subducted inward by the pressures within the earth. Sure water as a liquid can not but water as a vapor is the only way water can exist above the atmosphere. Its because without pressure water can only exists as a vapor.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

Ned gets a bit uptight when I start bringing to light that water above the atmosphere can exist as a vapor and that super heated waters only cool quite rapidly on the darkside of the earth.At your convience check out Walt Browns book on the hydroplate theory. Walt explains far better than I an alternative to your tecktonic theory. Ned really gets uptight about Walt Brown so best not to reply however because your the sort that has a natural interest in this sort of stuff.Enjoy !!!!!The Center for Scientific Creation: Home of the Hydroplate TheoryEdited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

Not so, Titan magnetosphere is believe to be the reason ionized water vapor is trapped above the ionosphere. Good try though.-----------------------------------Titan’s atmosphere is almost entirely nitrogen, scientists anticipated they would find an abundance of nitrogen ions scattered throughout Saturn’s magnetosphere. That, in fact, is not the case; nitrogen ions are found to be comparatively rare. Instead, the magnetosphere is dominated by plasma composed almost entirely of ionized water and water products, including O+, OH+, H2O+ and H3O+.the source of ionization has to be the rotating plasma itself, not solar UV.Newsroom | Southwest Research Institute

The creationists believe the flood waters came from the windows of heaven being opened and the fountains of the deep being opened. The bible does not say it covered the earth with a kilometer of water it says it prevailed 15 cubits upwards did they prevail. kjv genesis 7:20.The creationists talk of the bounds God created that could never be overcome kjv psalm 104:9. The rising of the mountains and the lowering of the oceans.You do believe the mountains have been pressed up from pressures in the earth and the oceans lowered by pressures. (Hydroplate theory or tecktonic plate theory) Within this inner region the spacecraft acquires a negative potential so that the electron density is underestimated.http://www.agu.org/pubs/crossref/2005/2005GL022653.shtml The magnetosphere only charges the water vapor molecule and its related ions. Its the earth thats moving the water ions are basically only sitting on the circle of the earth within the magnetosphere.On the dark side of the earth the water molecule loses all its heat yet still remains a vapor above the atmosphere.------------------------------------To understand the magnetosphere, one needs to visualize its magnetic field lines (or "lines of force"), lines that everywhere point in the direction of the magnetic force--e.g., diverging out near the southern magnetic pole, and converging again around the north magnetic pole, where they enter the Earth. They are discussed in MSPF, but for now they can be visualized like wires which tie the magnetosphere together--wires that also guide the motions of trapped particles, which slide along them like beads (though other motions may also occur).Magnetosphere - WikipediaEdited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.

Yes I did hear they have found clams on the top of Mt. Everest and there is over 1/2 mile of water over the sea mounts in the Pacific Ocean.If you take 1/2 mile of ocean water and put it over the continents thats a whole lot of water.Either the mountains rose or the oceans settled or both, thats the kind of evidence supports the mountains were all covered and the seamounts were all once above the wave base. The gravity abnormalities over the trenches kind of squelches your tecktonic theory in favor of the hydroplate theory. How does your tecktonic plate theory explain the gravity abnormalities over the trenches. What happens in space is they build heat exchangers to reject the heat out to space, this is what happens when a super heated molecule is rejected above the atmosphere. Space itself is an insulator however its heat can be rejected out into space.http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov/news/2001/news-stationcool.aspEdited by Charley, : No reason given.

Read Rachael Carsons book the Sea around us. Nope The tecktonic theory is total bunk How does plate tectonics explain gravity abnormalities over the trenches. Did some of that water get sucked into the earth. What could cause the gravity abnormalities over the trenches? They are not dispersing out into space in Titans magnetosphere.Gravity is a weak force but you do agree the magnetosphere is a greater force upon the polar covalent water molecule, ions than gravity up above the ionosphere.Is not this why Titans water molecules are not dispersing into space and evidence supporting the creationists biblical water canopy.

It appears a whole lot of outgassing being captured by Saturns Magnetic field it does not mean its dispersing to outer space.The Earths genesis water canopy could well of been the result of the moons water vapor outgassing much like Enceladus to Titan & Saturn robbing of Titan and Enceladus.

You have massive plates believed subducting under the trenches. So how come one weighs less over the trenches? Massive amounts of water subducted into the earth beneath the trenches, or beneath the dense subducting tectonic plates? It seems easier to believe somethings wrong with the tectonic plate theory.Its interesting however that Coragyps agreed that water is the believed culprit in respect to the tectonic plate theory.It makes more sense that tremendous amounts of water reside under the trenches is more supportive with the hydroplate theory than the dense subducting tectonic plate theory. Edited by Charley, : No reason given.Edited by Charley, : No reason given.