Neanderthals

Mike you darn well what I mean't I mean the creatures we are calling transitions. why did your God make them? to confuse us? or are you saying they where never here?

Well I do not see transitions. You see them as transitions, I see them as apes. Show me 20 FULL skeletons of a complete and 100% ape man and even I will ask your question.

Mike although I believe they are. I DID NOT say they where transitions I said what we call transitions. Do your own research! you expect me to search the web Because you are to lazy? I did not get my Info from just the internet so I have no idea what sites to look at. they exist. if you are going to discuss them you should know that they do. Also you will rarely find a complete 100% skeletons. but these fossils are not just bits and pieces either you can tell what they are. alot are nearly complete. its not like we have a toe and are saying its a transition. You have no right to enter this Discussion unless you are knowledgeable about the fossils

I have every right to discuss it, that is what the evc is for. Besides I am quite well informed about fossils. O.k I'm not a scientist ,but I doubt everyone here is.'Do your own research! you expect me to search the web Because you are to lazy?'Actually I kind of half knew the answer. I know you wont find them because they dont exist. One picture in the 'evolution of man' picture's evidence, was a pigs tooth. That just prooves humans mastery in taking giant guesses. So , where are the ape men that you say my God made ?
Personally I dont think there is evidence to say there is ape men, thats all.

Hi Mike,You are totally correct, you have every right to discuss the subjects here. Talk Origins has some excellent papers on this subject. A timeline can be found here. A list of illustrations and pictures can be found here. Here is a colored graphical timeline for various hominid species.Maybe you could look through these sites and pick one or two items that you question and some of the more scientifically educated posters here could answer some of your questions.------------------
Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

I tired of that Pig tooth. you People act like that is the only thing we ever found. So on mistake happened. BIG DEAL! I still say unless you are atleast Knowledgeable about the Fossils you have no right to tell me things Unless you know something about the Subject. They do exist I didn't provide a link as I do not know of any. I am a paleo Student. Sorry if I am coming off harsh but I am tired of treating People like they are Babies.

Hi Asgara,
thanks for confirming my rights to babble about bull'.lol.That site is a good one, the Lucy pictures are interesting, although the lack of skeleton , (40% ) confirmed my suspicions, slightly. I think I will re-visit that sight in future, there certainly is a lot of finds (skulls), I must admitt, which neither cofirm or deny my thoughts. Interesting stuff though, maybe I am a bit lazy in searching,lol.

Hi DC,I don't mean to critisize, but just as you wouldn't listen to a creationist that used the "believe or else" line, how do you expect to get them to listen to you when you continually get angry sounding and basically call people stupid. An uninformed poster should be a chance to enlighten and debate, not berate and tell them they have no business on this forum.I have been following almost all of the threads on EvC. I rarely post, but I do hope that I don't come off as a know-it-all and talk down to people. (maybe Mike can answer me on this as I have had a few discussions with him ) I believe that both sides can discuss these issues without resorting to censuring of opinion, no matter how much we may disagree about that opinion.------------------
Asgara "An unexamined life is not worth living" Socrates via Plato

'Sorry if I am coming off harsh but I am tired of treating People like they are Babies.'Listen, there is no need to insult, you forget I am not an expert and I will always admitt that these are my own thoughts, and very likely to be wrong. I just enjoy quizzing and babbling.'I am a paleo Student'Good, I am not your enemy, there is no need to get frustrated, I am not the Almighty - take no offense, I'll concede, if your a student you probably know more than me, I will never argue with experts but my beliefs are my beliefs.

if I was asked something and I didn't know the answer I would look it up. I just think everyone should do the same. don't tell me something doesn't exist just Becasue they don't know about them.

sorry mike I guess I am not in the best of moods today. again sorry

'maybe Mike can answer me on this as I have had a few discussions with him ) I believe that both sides can discuss these issues without resorting to censuring of opinion, no matter how much we may disagree about that opinion.'Absolutely I agree Asgara, and look what happens - you have provided a website, which I am open minded about and chuffed about. By the way look at your posts number compared to mine (we have been here the same amount of time)I'd be grateful if you post more, I think we are the only evo-creo who enjoy each others posts.[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-01-2003]

It's an apology accepted, I dont hold grudges, I myself have gotten frustrated in the past and I guess with hindsight , the better way to do it, is the stress free one. I often tell myself, 'okay leave it, its only their opinion it will only end in point scoring.'

It is, because you don't understand why your question is pointless. I can only assume that it's because you have a deep misunderstanding of what evolution is, and how scientists think humans came to be. Yes, and the simple answer is, why wouldn't they? I'm sorry if you're seeing these as non-answers, but you're asking non-questions. No, it's really not. Fossilization is rare for land animals. Skeletons decay quickly under all but very specific conditions. Oh, it's not all guessing. But what you're asking is "where's the evidence for the non-existence of certain individuals?" But how can you have evidence of something not existing?You're asking me to tell you why a given species went extinct. Well, I'll be honest - I can't tell you, because many of the things that cause extinction - and there are many - don't leave evidence.If there's no evidence to point to the cause of the extinction, though, that's not evidence that the extinction didn't happen, or something. It simply means that any scenario we come up with will be mostly guesswork until we can find some hard evidence.I just don't understand what you think you've gained, here, or what you think I've "admitted". Scientists don't know everything. We're only human, after all. And not everything that happens leaves evidence for us to find. If it surprises you to find this out then you just don't know the first thing about science, the scientific method, or evolution.

You must be a democrat, because you refuse to adress the main issue still. I'm not going to retort all of the stuff in your last post, simply because I don't have time to keep doing this... But the main issue is that if the previous versions of man were so much like us, with just slight differences (hunched a little, and longer arms/torso, whatever), why are they not still running around. I mean, with just minor things, they wouldn't have gone extinct because they are enough like us that they would still be right here with us.