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Author Topic:   A case for Natural Design
ramoss
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Message 24 of 70 (227129)
07-28-2005 2:52 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by jar
07-28-2005 12:36 PM


Re: I wonder if it would be helpful ...
I would not say that 'how physics came into being' is unimportant, except to say that it is unimportant as a case for natural design.
On the other hand, 'how physical laws came into being' is somethign that has no evidence for, one way or another

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ramoss
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Message 50 of 70 (229617)
08-04-2005 9:14 AM
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08-04-2005 12:50 AM


Re: You overrate the role of physics
And what evidence that life has a 'spiritual' aspect to it? Does all life have a 'spiritual' aspect? How about a bacteria?
YOu seem to make a claim for something that is not testable. You can't even provide a way to show that it actually is a component to life.

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Message 52 of 70 (229909)
08-04-2005 9:17 PM
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08-04-2005 4:47 PM


Re: You overrate the role of physics
That is the claim. However, just because a lot of people believe it doesn't mean that 'spirituality' is anything more than biochemical reactions in an analog organic neural net.
It is an emotional thing with you, but you can not show that 'spirituality' exists outside of the function of the brain, and in specific the human brain at that (although there might be indications in elephants, and some of the other primates).
If you want me to take that claim seriously, give me direct evidence that 'spirituality' is more than an effect of brain function.
You can pull QM quotes out of the air all you want, but QM does not
show any relationship to the gospel of John. You might have quoted the religious opinion of one scientist.. but that does not make it any more than his personal opinion.

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ramoss
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Message 54 of 70 (229961)
08-04-2005 11:00 PM
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08-04-2005 9:23 PM


Re: You overrate the role of physics
If that is your claim, lets see some evidence for it.
I want to see the evidence for the spirituality of a piece of granite.

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