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Author Topic:   ID as Science vs. ID as Creationism
Granny Magda
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Message 17 of 46 (454743)
02-08-2008 2:45 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by tesla
02-08-2008 12:00 PM


Re: admitting God
tesla writes:
if God is, and hes a much more superior intelligence and form, what man can say what is possible, or not possible for God?
An excellent point tesla. If God is real, and if there are supernatural causes behind life, the universe and everything (so to speak), then how would we be able to comprehend them? God could make the world appear however he wanted it to, we would be left with absolutely no way of having any understanding of anything he or she did; after all, how would we know that God, or some other supernatural agency had not been involved in whatever we are studying, only to erase all traces of his handiwork?
This is why science does not comment on supernatural causes. They are unknowable. They can always be invoked, in any situation, and they can never be disproved (as per your signature). Even if we suppose that the supernatural or divine is real, and that it has affected out world, we would still, by necessity, be forced to ignore such explanations, and work only with what can be known (or at least what appears to be knowable). The simple fact is that science has provided us with a highly sophisticated understanding of our universe and has provide us with countless improvements to our lives (including saving my life at least twice that I recall). Science doesn't need supernatural explanations, it is doing just fie without them.
ID is the ultimate in supernatural explanations. It supposes, on the basis of no evidence whatever, that some "unknown" entity has been tinkering with our universe. If there were material evidence for this claim, then fine; but there is none. The only reason why ID exists is because the Discovery Institute and others know that they won't be able to get get their religious hogwash into the US public school system. That is why ID exists, as a thin veil for creationism. Fortunately, it seems that the US courts are wise to this cheap trick.

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