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Author Topic:   ID as Science vs. ID as Creationism
Buzsaw
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Message 27 of 46 (454852)
02-08-2008 8:58 PM
Reply to: Message 9 by Blue Jay
02-08-2008 11:43 AM


Re: ID Details
Bluejay writes:
There aren't many details in IDology, and the few that there are aren't very detailed. Science requires substance, which means you have to produce a definitive hypothesis about the age of the earth or about the exact mechanisms behind natural phenomena or about anything else.
Hi Bluejay. Welcome to EvC. Perhaps the reason there aren't as many details to some ID hypotheses is that literalist Biblicalist ID models have less details to deal with. For example the Buzsaw Hypothesis has all of the animals and mankind being intelligently designed suddenly in one 24 hour period by an omniscient and omnipotent designer. In this most literalist Biblicalist Id creationists agree. There's just no need for details to such a model.
When it comes to the cosmos that's where the Buzsaw Hypothesis parts with most Biblicalist ID creationists in that the B H is not YEC.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 34 of 46 (454876)
02-08-2008 10:56 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by Blue Jay
02-08-2008 9:16 PM


OFF-TOPIC, don't reply to
Bluejay writes:
Let's work with the Buzsaw Hypothesis a little bit. In order to make a theory out of, you'll need to test it. How do you test it? If the Buzsaw Hypothesis is true, what could we predict about the kinds of evidence we'd see in the Earth, in terms of the fossil record, genetics, and other things? If it happened according to the Buzsaw Hypothesis, surely it would leave some sort of mark. Identify these marks.
There are some tests as I understand the term test. Perhaps you're looking for more, but again, less testing would be needed for the Biblical models such as the BH hypothesises than for conventional science models.
1. The BH (Buzsaw Hypothesis) ID model factors in some scientific tests such as compatibility to 1, 2, and 3LoT. IMO I've debated quite sucessfully in the EvC archives that my hypothesis does pass these tests.
2. The BH ID model contends that conventional dating methodology as not being applicable to the BH model in that the properties of a Biblical pre-flood earth and atmosphere would be significantly different than a more uniformatarian model.
3. The BH ID model would factor such tests as historical data, mathmatical probabilities, corroborative evidence, archeological research, etc supportive to the Biblical ID model, most of which are deemed not applicable to conventional secularist models.
To go into these in depth would be off topic to this thread. If anyone wishes to be apprised on these one can click on the Buzsaw name for the index file of where the above were discussed in the archives.
{This, and probably the messages that led to this, are certainly off-topic. The topic theme is "make ID scientific and not religious", or something like that. - Adminnemooseus}
Edited by Adminnemooseus, : Off-topic banner etc. Also changed subtitle to "OFF-TOPIC, don't reply to"

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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