Is God Evil?

Trust the Process - I'm only trying to present you with the same dilemma you'll be faced with a Judgement - at which point it's too late to present a defence. Don't shoot the messenger - okay?Your "husband loves/beats wife" soap opera doesn't take into account one the most basic elements of Christianity.The Cross.Could you do a re-write to take account of a supreme act of self-sacrifice (following on from a life of humility (think of the majesty and glory that would need setting aside in order for Jesus to walk into town creating as little fuss as he frequently did. Like. we're talking the Creator of the Universe here)- It's not without it's challenges. You get inflexible at my age. Edited by iano, : No reason given.

Easy.Husband: "You bitch! You know my rules, you know what I'm like (smack!). There, you see what you made me do?! I love you so much but you make me do this to you (smack)!"Wife: "You said you loved me, why do you keep doing this? I'm leaving you"Husband: "What? (cuts wrist with razor) You can't leave me! I love you so much I'll kill myself for you (cuts wrist with razor). I'll die for you..."Wife: "He must love me if he's prepared to do that for me." C'mon you don't look that old

Is that how you see Jesus?Can you see how you might find yourself nodding sadly at Judgement?

It's a heavy handed analogy I grant you but I see Jesus as Yahweh self harming himself (as an aspect of the Trinity) to make right a situation he engineered. If Yahweh (like the wife beater) could only exercise control in his behaviour he would not have to 'make things right' through self harm.It seems to me that people can believe in him because of evidence as well as faith so why not give people proof to ensure that they do not go to hell? Free will is all very well but if some one says "act this way or the inevitable consequence of your actions is pain and sorrow" I'll be quick to agree.How is giving each individual ever to have drawn breath a very explicit choice "do you take the blue pill or the red one?" compromising free will?As it stands Yahweh leaves it to chance; If I knew for a fact that Yahweh was real I would be fare more likely to follow his laws. Saying faith is the conduit is all very well but if Yahweh limits faith to a state of not having evidence Moses would be in hell because he sure as hell had evidence. I would wonder why he could not talk to me in my own language

Progress indeed - And so we shipwreck our discussion against the rock of free will it seems?My position is that God only went so far as engineering a way for free will to express ITself. There endeth the engineering.It would appear that your defence hinges on "no such thing as (effective) free, undetermined, will". If it transpires that God has managed to ensure such a thing exists, would you accept yourself rightfully condemned?- My position is that faith is the evidence that leads to belief in Gods existance. And that faith given to those who firstly come to believe God in the matter of their being 'rotten to the core'. You don't need God to write his name across the sky in order to come to such a conclusion about yourself. Everyday life - and you operating in it - can supply all the evidence necessary to convince you of that. (It remains possible to deny that fact - we've all seen other folk do such a thing despite our being revulsed by their actions.)Belief in God's existance in not necessary in order to satisfy the criterion involved in God deciding to save you. You are saved first, believe in God next.- A core problem is that you haven't got a free will in the classic blue/red pill sense of things. Your will was compromised back at the Fall by way of having a desire to sin injected into it. In other words, your will, if left to it's own devices, would plump for sin as surely as a junkie injects heroin. Countering that, restoring the balance as it were, is conscience: a knowledge of good and evil. Effectively you have a free will: your will infected by sin, balanced by the restraint of God. God is acting as a crutch to your crippled free will.Thus is your will an effective free will. It can hobble from A to B.- I didn't know that God existed until after I was saved. The assumption is that you don't need to know before you are saved either. Which kind of short circuits this point of yours..

Edited by Peg, 11-04-2009 2:54 AM: No reason given.

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Edited by Peg, 11-04-2009 3:26 AM: No reason given.You have much to hide, my Peg.Let me ask you a serious question:Have you heard of Vasudeva?I spoke to Vasudeva this morning regarding this thread and he had this to say:In other words, God is a megalomaniacal a$$hole who kills on a whim and has no particular goals?After reading his response and seeing your unrecorded edits, I must say, what are you really up to here?Is God Evil?Yes, that is the question I have asked.Is God a megalomaniacal a$$hole who kills on a whim and has no particular goals?(PRO TIP) ...you don't have to answer that second question because it is not a part of the OT....but you want to, don't you? (!)

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Yes, you do. (!)In fact, you want to answer that question so bad that you will attempt to not answer it for as long as possible while hoping that a Mod or two will jump in to save you.Or, perhaps, you actually want to post a response without a few unrecorded edits?*Wotak sets his dragEdited by Wotak, : I may have lied, much like the God of the Bible.Edited by Wotak, : )

Adam was a man proably older then yourself. He was over 100 years old when he was expelled from Eden. So he lived long enough to know that snakes, which he himself named, didnt talk. The fact is that Adam was not decieved by the snake.
God allowed the satan in the garden because like all of his creations, they had free will. The angel who became the 'opposer' was challenging God which is why God allowed him access to the garden.If God silenced all his opposers before their case could be heard, then he would be abusing his own laws about free will. He had to allow this opposing angel to state his case. His case was that all humans would turn their backs on God. The account from the book of Job clearly demonstrates the issue that Satan raised about humans. we know that God would have destroyed Satan then and there because if A&E kept their integrity to God, then the issue that Satan raised would have been answered then and there. God would not have needed to allow time for Satans claim to be proved. Remember his claim (from the book of Job) is that all mankind will turn their back on God and that they will only serve him because of what God provides.The only way for this issue of human integrity to be resolved was for God to allow mankind to be tested over a period of time.This is why i can confidently say that if the issue was resolved back then in Eden, then there would have been no need for A&E to be expelled from Eden and their children would not have been born separated from God. well 'lucifer' wasnt the highest created being, Gods son Jesus Christ was. Jesus was the 'only begotten' Son who was the firstborn of all creation. And when Jesus was tested to the point of torture and death, he did maintain his integrity right to his last breath.Jesus gave the final answer to Satans challenge and because of his integrity the issue has now been resolved. Humans can maintain integrity even if God does not provide for them. Edited by Peg, : No reason given.

i generally never give a reason becasue i am usually going back and correcting spelling erros and suchwhat could i be hiding??and do i think that God is a meglomanic who kills on a whim? Certainly not.If he did then i doubt anyone would be alive to talk about him in such a way.

Or perhaps you are in cahoots with this megalomaniacal God?Perhaps there is a kinder, gentler, more rational being that wishes only that you open your eyes and know the truth?Is God Evil?I think that he is at least more evil than Satan is.Edited by Wotak, : I didn't mention 'the devil' because I'm not fishing for that particular know-it-all yet.

more evil then satan hey!im sure that what satan wants you to believe...perhaps you're in cahoots with him lol Edited by Peg, : just keeping it real

You need to edit this comment a few times because... well, nobody is looking, anyway... right?I mean, who's going to know what you edited?:-)

Do it, Peg. Do it every time.

double postEdited by hooah212002, : sorry

So basically, we were screwed from the get-go anyways. That tells me that it's gods fault. Gog gave us that free will, and you say our free will is faulty. All because of ONE apple? mankind is doomed...because of ONE apple. I don't get how you all can wrap your head around that.the first people EVER created....ate ONE apple.......now........ALL of us are doomed to "sin".What a swell guy this god feller is. So forgiving.

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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people
-Carl Sagan

I really see no sense in your attacking peg for editing her posts. It is completely unnecessary.