The Big Bang and the visible past.

That's right. When I was in full-time cosmological research, as an evangelical Christian I had a huge advantage over my atheist colleagues, and I made many discoveries that they were simply unable to comprehend. All major discoveries in pre-big-bang physics have been made by Christians. No Jews, mind. Never Jews.

We look at models of the Universe where there is no concept of "before" the Big Bang.We also look at models of the Universe where there is a concept of "before" the Big Bang.I'm not sure what it is that you think we are missing

Sure - any of the extended comsological theories, such as those inspired by M-Theory, the ekpyrotic scenario, eternal inflation, etc. All highly theoretical, which is why the Standard Model of cosmology still sticks with the classical Big Bang cosmology, with the singularity and no "before".

What does "ethernal" mean? What does "intelligent" mean? What is a "designer"?How would I model such a thing?

Yep, that sort of thing

Buz, there is nothing funny about you not comprehending this - all of that makes perfect sense in world of mathematical physics. That it makes no sense to you is irrelevant and of no consequence to anyone.If you want to introduce some factor into the explanatory framework, you need to define your terms. Do so, or shut up.

No, I don't. It's not easy stuff, and I expect most to have great trouble in comprehending it. What I *don't* expect is for you to ridicule it just because you don't understand it.And I have no clue as to what you mean by "eternal". In the context of space-time physics, a word like "eternal" is ridiculously vague and could pertain to any number of concepts. And if time itself is past-finite in extent, then what the hell does eternal mean?Intelligence is an attribute of humans and other complex organisms, that relates to an ability to learn from experience and apply that knowledge in future situations. We can build machines that exhibit this behaviour. Is this what you mean by "intelligent"?And "designer"? As in one who works out the details of a construction in theory before the actual construction is implemented? So more like an architect than, say, a beaver?So an "intelligent designer" is a complex organism that learns from experience and that can plan the details of a construction before actually building it.Does that sound right?If not, would you care to explain WHAT YOU DO MEAN...???

I see you're avoiding replying to my post - have you realised now that you cannot provide adequate definitions for your terms? Huh? Why would it??? They are your terms, ID proponents' terms - they are not terms we ever use in cosmology. Why the hell would we?The terms we use, we define rigorously. We cannot conduct science without doing so. And you have to define what you mean by this. If, in a discussion on how to develop the next generation fighter aircraft, you arrive and announce that what we need is a good pair of wings, it would be utterly sensible to ask - what do you mean by "wings"? Really? Can you point to where I was condescending? Pointing out where you are wrong is not "condescension".Now, are you going to come up with these definitions?