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Author Topic:   Chances as discrete entities
Brad McFall
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Message 4 of 5 (19241)
10-07-2002 2:50 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by nos482
09-17-2002 7:59 AM


I tried to follow THREE posters in a row rather than just what substance I wanted to say in some particular sentence and I fail to find that this is even thinkable to creation as opposed to say "evolution". Stephen Wolfram *clearly* thinks and talks as if "chance" (randomness) IS discrete (all the way to quantum field theory). It is certainly true that one using say %MATHEMATICA% creates a theory of lexicographic orderings that excludes non-zero numbers as small enough to be a part of undecidable quatum mechanics for which a determinate answer is not yet or every will be availble; but again this has nothing as far as I can see to do with an "evolutionary" vs a "creationist" frame of mind.
So lets say I "misused" the intents of the past three posts? It is true that in Biology such a concept of Liebig's was that Law of the Minimum. That, this- organisms needed minimally certain things to exist and if one of these minimal things were taken away --SOME other minimal thing would take that somethings place-- Now instead of thinking in terms of protoplasm and chemicals imagine all things nanotechonogy computationaly built or is contemplating to build; apply it to the ecology of an acutal "niche"; AND at least in the resticted space of Biology there could be a maximum computatonal equivalence above which no Biology but some physics exists IN THIS MINIMUM such that any oscillation is continuously damped out by reality or say the 2nd law thermo (though WOlfram doesn think this exists in this sense either but all we need is the actual ecosystem dynamics that affect growth and reproduction of the hidden players etc) and since this is SMALLER than the chemisty of Leibig's day but could exist the chance of finding this is more disrete than some chemcial and yet even if bounded by EM could be said in a physical sense of the Leibig law THEORY that I would have rather more elaborted to NOT EXIST despite being non-zero. (IE little green men on the other side of black hole in a philosopher's paradise who thinks like a bat but is not could stil possible gain acces to the energy but not the chance entity that was discrete).
Sounds like fiction but such things COULD make the practice of actual science. But philosophically speaking obviously from the taxa's perspective if >0 it has to exist. But then again I ALSO do not believe in Wolfram "alien" intelligence. I prefer to recall grace.

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