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Buzsaw
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Message 77 of 94 (551585)
03-23-2010 8:56 AM
Reply to: Message 72 by DrJones*
03-23-2010 12:49 AM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Dr Jones writes:
No, they're the same god, the christians just got some things wrong.
What say you, Jonsey? Does the Islamic god have a proper name?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 78 of 94 (551588)
03-23-2010 9:08 AM
Reply to: Message 75 by Granny Magda
03-23-2010 1:17 AM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Granny Magda writes:
Do you at least understand the point I'm making? That Jews see Christianity the way you see Islam?
I understand that. My point was that ignorance of the prophecies of their own Biblical scriptures is the reason that they think that way.
Muhammed's misaplication of Biblical scripture such as the denial of Jesus as God's son, etc is the way he hijacked those scriptures for the growth of his religion.
Granny, does Islam's god have a proper name?

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 84 of 94 (551794)
03-24-2010 8:50 AM
Reply to: Message 83 by bluescat48
03-23-2010 3:37 PM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Bluescat writes:
In reality your God's proper name is not Jehovah. Jehovah is an English corruption of the German Spelling of the Hebrew YHWH. Whether he is called Jehovah, Yahweh or Allah it is the same entity, the God of Abraham. Why else are Judaism, Christianity & Islam all called Abrahamic Religions?
Whether you recognize the rendition of "J" in modern English, Jehovah represents the Hebrew "YHWH/Yahweh." Allah represents elohim in Hebrew which is the generic word for "god," which can apply to any god. That is not the case with YHWH/Yaweh/Jehovah which applies exclusively to the Biblical god.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 86 of 94 (551861)
03-24-2010 5:51 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by AZPaul3
03-24-2010 11:26 AM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Paul3, I see you need a little grammer lesson here from the old man.
Jehovah is the Biblical god. Jehovah is not the Islamic god. The consensus among my counterparts (abe: appears to be) that the Islamic god has no name.
Though elohim/god is a generic word, always, context depicts which god. The same goes for your dad, for example. He has a proper name but dad or man is not his proper name. If you said, "dad is a machinist," or "that man was my dad," you never spoke your dad's proper name. The context of your statement indicated that the generic words man and dad referred to Robert Smith, or whatever your dads proper name is. The same would apply to the generic word, god which could apply to a carved pagan idol or Jehovah. Savvy?
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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Buzsaw
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Message 88 of 94 (551867)
03-24-2010 8:53 PM
Reply to: Message 87 by bluescat48
03-24-2010 6:53 PM


Re: Buzsaw Position: Jehovah vs Allah
Bluescat, the god of Genesis is assumed to be the god of the Bible, as distinguished from other gods, regardless of the proper name. If the reader is interested enough to learn the name of the Biblical god, all one need do is ask someone or do a little research.
One reason there is so much misunderstanding about this is that the Jews of the last few centuries BC had a superstition that the YHWH/Yahweh, god's name was not to be spoken or written, contrary to the fact that Jehovah forbade the scribes to alter any scripture. Unfortunately the majority of translators have carried this superstition and they foolishly changed YHWH/Jehovah to Adonai/lord/master in the majority of 6000 plus times that the proper name, YHWH exists in the early manuscripts from which the translations were taken. There are a few scriptures in the major translations which do use the YHWH proper name, so one can know by reading the Bible what the Biblical god's name is. I use the ASV; 1901 American Standard Version which correctly uses Jehovah everywhere it exists in the manuscripts. The Koran never uses or refers to any name but Allah.
Before Obama's Quranish family learned about Christianity and some Biblical stuff, Allah had no connection with the Bible in view of this god's worshippers, but there is some indication that it referred to the moon god; thus the crescent moon symbol in the Muslim world.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.

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