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cavediver
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Message 101 of 456 (554178)
04-06-2010 7:17 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by nwr
04-06-2010 9:09 AM


I think the scientist is actually going to be asking "Can we assume that these footprints were made at the same time, or could they have been made over a period of many days or years or millenia? Do they actually show many animals present at the same time, or could they have been made over a longer period with never more than a few there at one time?"
Yeah, right. I mean, you're actually giving the impression here that scientists actually *think* about their observations, and that they may question their own assumptions. Everyone knows that they do neither and only creationists have the intelligence to point this out to them.

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cavediver
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Message 102 of 456 (554181)
04-06-2010 7:24 PM
Reply to: Message 100 by Flyer75
04-06-2010 7:05 PM


How do we know light traveled at the same speed it does today 40 million years ago? Or that the way we date rocks today has any connection to the way they decayed 110 million years ago? IMO, it's a logical conclusion that scientists have "faith" that the present is the key to the past.
Every time you think this, bear this in mind: for every untested assumption in science, there are about 10,000 graduates desperate to prove themselves to their peers and superiors by tearing apart those assumptions and demonstrating them incorrect. Every graduate in science is desperately looking for something new on which to write his next paper. Guess how many untested assumptions are left lying around, unchallenged?
Science is built, not upon assumptions, but upon the tearing down of assumptions.

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cavediver
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Message 433 of 456 (559033)
05-06-2010 9:19 AM
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05-06-2010 9:06 AM


Re: "Shared Subjectivity" - What Do You Mean Exactly?
For clarification... "collectively agreed to be a part of objective reality" is a way to say "is a known part of objective reality as apart from something that may or may not be a part of objective reality, but it's currently unknown either way".
I'm not sure how many of these I can put my finger on: "is a known part of objective reality as apart from something that may or may not be a part of objective reality"
Or perhaps you know something I don't...

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cavediver
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Message 440 of 456 (559060)
05-06-2010 11:11 AM
Reply to: Message 439 by Stile
05-06-2010 10:56 AM


Re: "Shared Subjectivity" - What Do You Mean Exactly?
I don't really care what others think or believe, I care about what we can show to be true.
In which case, I am far more convinced of the "objective" reality of mathematics than any "physical" aspect of existence that one would normally regard as objectively "real"
Sorry, really busy at the mo, so will join in with this properly later.

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