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Author Topic:   Effective Posting Styles (And Suggested Improvements)
RAZD
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Message 11 of 89 (560659)
05-16-2010 8:52 PM


Perhaps some bad styles to consider
This thread is about posting styles. What works. What doesn't.
While a general consensus seems to be for short posts, some of the positive feedback I have had, from people who have actually changed their minds, is that long posts also work. Breaking it down into managable chunks with headers helps, keeping the tone light and professional helps.
There are also aspects of different styles that tend to work against effectiveness.
One of these is continued harping on some detail, as it seems to entrench the opposition rather than work towards solution.
ie - rather than harp on the lack of definition of life (mea culpa) one could direct said person to an existing (or new) thread (on the definition of life) and see if he has anything to add to that thread.
Posts that go on for screen after screen are ignored.
Long posts that ramble on with numerous erroneous statements compounding misunderstandings with false conclusions are not easy to deal with in simple one-liners.
When the information is old hat to the reader, it can be a struggle to do more than scan it.
When the information is whack, it can be a struggle to read it.
In the end though, it is still a matter of leading a horse to the drinking trough and then seeing if they chose to drink.
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 22 of 89 (648677)
01-17-2012 2:42 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Modulous
06-30-2010 8:54 PM


Take a single point at a time.
Hi Modulus,
Picking this up from your post, even though it was months ago ...
dwise1, Wounded King and Sylas spring to mind. Many of RAZDs posts are the way I described - but sometimes he runs afoul of the excessive quotes/links heuristic.
I think one of my faults is to try to answer all the questions in one post, which then increases in size in the next round as more points are added in response.
If I could point to one thing - it would be always give the impression that you take your opponent seriously, if you want to have a serious discussion. While you may think it merited, if you are going to 'effectiveness', mockery (even if you aren't intending to be taken seriously) can really undermine that goal.
Indeed, respecting the other opinion/s goes a long way to ensuring that your reply is not just a brush-off.
If I could police myself I would say take one point to respond to -- the one you think is most questionable, and say that you can take up the others once this is resolved.
Label your reply with the point you want to cover (ideally this creates a subthread focusing on this point)
Then quote the point, rephrase it to ensure you understand it, say why you think it is questionable, and then cite backup links/information.
If there are other points you want to cover you can repeat this process in a new post, but then you risk having the post you are most interested in ignored in favor of the second post.
For instance, if someone espouses a YECetism, one could start by arguing that the age of the earth is shown by objective empirical evidence to be 4.55 billion years old.
Enjoy.

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Message 38 of 89 (648799)
01-18-2012 3:34 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by NoNukes
01-18-2012 10:29 AM


Re: Respecting opinions
Hi NoNukes, very busy of late but
Opinions are due only a minimum of respect. If opinions are wrong, respect simply means that the opinion is not simply dismissed, but is rebutted with argument and evidence. No other respect is due.
Opinions are due the respect of first understanding the viewpoint of the poster. If the opinion is wrong (in your opinion) then it is due the respect to address the who what where when why and how of it being wrong, rather than dismissal.
If the opinion is misunderstood then it is due the respect of sorting out the misunderstanding/s and then dealing with the issue raised.
Bad arguments demand even less respect than do wrong opinions.
It depends on the source of the bad argument: if it is ignorance then this should be addressed so that the argument can either be improved or dropped (if the person is open minded enough)
Willful ignorance and delusions can be identified, and there is the possibility of eventually correcting them even if that opportunity is not taken at the time.
I suppose that makes it okay to call me "testy". I'll have a t-shirt made.
Just don't put it under you bellybutton . . .
Enjoy.

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RAZD
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Message 75 of 89 (649259)
01-21-2012 8:36 PM


any chance of this getting back to the topic?
Just a thought ...
The topic is effective posting styles, and in my mind one of the MOST effective elements of a good posting style is staying on topic, and not letting yourself get drawn off into side issues.
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Message 82 of 89 (649328)
01-22-2012 2:12 PM
Reply to: Message 76 by Buzsaw
01-22-2012 8:34 AM


Re: Effective Posting Style
Hi Buzsaw,
An effective posting style may not mean that the message is factual or even articulated well. It still may be effective enough to arouse debate.
Sounds like the child throwing a tantrum on the basis that any attention is better than none.
I like that word, "effective" in the thread title. Long, lively and red hot threads should be an indication of some effective posting styles, should it not?
A post that elucidates a point so well that no response can be made other than applause would be effective.
A post that displays nonsense for what it is, and takes that out of further contention would be effective.
A post where people say "I wish I had said that" would be effective.
A post that gets a "post of the month" nomination followed by a chorus of likes and seconds would be effective.
An effective posting style may not mean that the message is factual or even articulated well. It still may be effective enough to arouse debate.
A post that keeps articulating failed concepts without any justification would be ineffective.
Enjoy.

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