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Author Topic:   Separation of church and state
nwr
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Message 155 of 313 (576821)
08-25-2010 7:02 PM
Reply to: Message 153 by marc9000
08-25-2010 6:33 PM


marc9000 writes:
People for the socialist way would be a much more accurate description of them, but they couldn’t be as successful as they are if they didn’t deceive from the very beginning.
Hmm, what was it that you were just saying about "smear machine"?

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nwr
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Message 253 of 313 (580974)
09-12-2010 6:22 PM
Reply to: Message 246 by marc9000
09-12-2010 4:43 PM


I have mostly kept out of this discussion to avoid the "piling on" problem. Others are doing a pretty good job of responding, so there's no need for me to jump in. I do want to comment on just a couple of issues. There's no need for you to reply, though of course there is nothing stopping you from replying, either.
marc9000 writes:
The name of the game at these types of forums seems to be to discourage/stop a creationist from posting.
Actually, no, I haven't seen any sign of that. However, there is an effort to keep the discussions honest by pointing out factual errors and unsupported claims.
marc9000 writes:
In this case, the understandor called foreign countries states
crashfrog writes:
Because that's what they're called.
marc9000 writes:
No, they're called foreign countries. The word state is sometimes a reference to a specific government structure, such as separation of church and state, or it can refer to a geographical division within a larger territory, such as a state within the US, or a single European country within all of the continent of Europe. But in a general conversation concerning any foreign country, it's simply not common in the US to refer to a foreign country as a "state".
Perhaps you don't get around very much. I expect that there are parts of society that don't use the word "state" when referring to other nations. However, that usage is nevertheless quite common elsewhere including in Washington, in the universities, and in the major media. There's a Department of State and a Secretary of State that deal with other nations. There's the term "statesman" which is normally applied to people at the level of national government and international relations.
I'll suggest that you try to broaden your horizons, learn to recognize both uses of "state" and learn how to use context to determine which of those meanings is being used.

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nwr
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Message 292 of 313 (584620)
10-02-2010 10:49 PM
Reply to: Message 286 by marc9000
10-02-2010 10:10 PM


Re: No True Scotsmen fallacy again?
Theodoric writes:
Tell us why he is not a christian.
marc9000 writes:
A few years ago I read his book Finding Darwin’s God — A Scientist’s Search For Common Ground Between God And Evolution, and found it to be about 90% Darwin and 10% God. He showed practically no knowledge of BASIC Christianity, and any of it he did refer to was gap filling. But whenever he saw any kind of conflict, Darwin was king, God came in a distant second.
You failed to tell us why he (Kenneth Miller) is not a Christian. All you have there is assertions of opinion.
Sure, we don't doubt that you disagree with Miller. But we don't know on what that disagreement is based.
marc9000 writes:
Matthew 7: 15, 16 says Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.
"Ravening wolves" seems to fit your own posting style.

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nwr
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Message 297 of 313 (584628)
10-02-2010 11:28 PM
Reply to: Message 295 by marc9000
10-02-2010 11:06 PM


Re: No True Scotsmen fallacy again?
marc9000 writes:
As a textbook author, he speculates on origins of life in a purely naturalistic way, just like an atheist would.
And just like a textbook writer would. I don't see that you have anything there.
marc9000 writes:
As a textbook author, he speculates on origins of life in a purely naturalistic way, just like an atheist would. He leaves things out, things that are basic in Christianity. He wouldn't have to directly speculate on them, but he goes far enough with naturalism to disregard them.
Again, that seems entirely appropriate for a textbook writer. His book ought to be covering the curriculum, and avoiding the injection of any religious views.
That does not seem to provide a basis for your conclusion that he is not a Christian.

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