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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
But it has never been proven or observed that animals change into new 'kinds' of animals. So? Neither "proof" nor "personal observation" are required for a scientific theory. The only folks who require such a level of documentation are creationists who wouldn't accept even that--as their beliefs do not depend on evidence, but on revelation and scripture.
In conclusion, all but micro evolution are theoretical. They are Not true, Guessing. "Theoretical," "not true," and "guessing" are not the same. Using sophistry to equate these very different terms is not honest, nor is it accurate.
When I say Evolution, I mean the theory that incorporates abiogenesis, old age presumption, common ancestry and big bang speculation.thanks Oh, you do,eh? If this is the way you are going to define terms you shouldn't plan on discussing any of these subjects with scientists. Scientists define the terms of their fields, not laymen. It is up to laymen to learn the language of science lest their comments reveal them to be either uneducated in science, or deliberately misrepresenting these terms. In either of these cases what a layman thinks or does means nothing. To claim otherwise would be akin to the fleas on a dog thinking that they own the dog and dictate its direction. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
So you believe a tired eyed, chin scratcher with a 6 year degree of thinking too much, can dictate our world view? I have no idea what that means; it is certainly not appropriate to a scientific argument.
If you choose to believe that because I said, these are theories and life producing life is the only thing we have observed, I applaud your Lack of objective thought. I have no idea what that means.
You apparently believe that because I Think its possible for supernatural intercession to have played a part in our existential (standing open for the pursuit of investigation), no matter the contempt, that I am attacking science, scientists and objective thought. I have no idea what that means. But as for you attacking science, you are unarmed. To debate matters scientific you have to understand them. You have not shown that you have either the knowledge nor the understanding to compete in the realm of science.
See its apparent to me that opposites are being played here. I am old school. I believe If you have a theory, you test it. Then until your theory is observed and proved, you can't call it science, truth or authority, Even if it is held dear in your hearts. If you are "old school" it is a pre-science school. Your understanding of the term "theory" as it is used in science is fatally flawed, and this is after I posted some good definitions. In case you missed them, here they are again (with additions; sorry for the length): Theory: a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world; an organized system of accepted knowledge that applies in a variety of circumstances to explain a specific set of phenomena; theories can incorporate facts and laws and tested hypotheses. Theories do not grow up to be laws. Theories explain laws. If you look at these you will see that theories are not just made up on the spot. In science you start with ideas and from these you form testable hypotheses. An hypothesis can only become a theory after a lengthy series of tests. Theories are expected to make accurate predictions, so the testing of predictions generated from hypotheses is a critical part of this process. Theories are not "observed and proved" and then advanced to a higher level. A theory is the highest level of explanation in science. And don't claim that a law is higher, because theories explain laws! Further, don't tell scientists that "you can't call it science, truth or authority" until it is "observed and proved" as that is not a part of the scientific process--it just shows that you have no clue as to how science operates. Nor do you have any role in determining how science operates. That is reserved for scientists to determine. From your posts it would appear that you are operating from belief. Concerning this, Heinlein notes:
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
...all sharing theoretical value that plays against the theory of creation. Creation is not a theory; it is a religious belief. I have posted the definitions for theory for you, as the term is used in science, but you obviously think that you can just make up definitions to suit yourself. That's sophistry, not science. One of the key requirements for a scientific theory is testing of evidence and successful predictions. This is the opposite of religious belief. In fact, testing and evidence are the last things that religious belief wants to see. Religious belief relies on faith in divine revelation. Revelation, when traced back, always comes down to some human saying, "Trust me!" (I picture Harrison Ford and his crooked Indiana Jones grin whenever I think of "Trust me!") Science defines terms in very specific ways to avoid confusion, and requires that claims by scientists be able to be replicated or in some way verified by other scientists. Yet you are redefining these scientific terms to produce the maximum amount of confusion! And you are making claims without producing any evidence to support those claims. I suggest that it is due to the lack of evidence and successful predictions--those ingredients of a theory. And I suggest that since science won't accommodate and confirm your beliefs, you are doing your best to change or degrade science, to produce a faux science that will. That is what I think is behind your re-definitions. Sorry--already been done: creation "science" was devised for that exact purpose. And it might even have fooled someone. Somewhere. Once. Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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Coyote Member (Idle past 2135 days) Posts: 6117 Joined: |
Hi Coyote,
Coyote writes: Creation is not a theory; it is a religious belief. Actually I thought creation was an accepted fact. I think you'll have to provide evidence for that claim. As far as I am aware creation is a religious belief unsupported by scientific fact or theory.
Are you saying that Einstein was right as he believed in a steady state, ageless Universe? I am making no statements about what Einstein believed. Not my field.
I personally believe it has been here in some form forever. God Bless, That is a belief. What have you in the form of evidence--scientific evidence that can stand peer review? Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.
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