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Author Topic:   Prophecy vs Free will
anglagard
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Message 106 of 168 (630750)
08-27-2011 2:56 PM
Reply to: Message 105 by IamJoseph
08-27-2011 4:22 AM


Wrong (Likely Due to Eurocentrism)
IamJoseph writes:
Mighty Rome was the greatest super power in history, bigger than Christianity and Islam combined
False.
See: List of largest empires - Wikipedia
The largest superpower by raw land mass was the British Empire at 33.7 million square kilometers ca. 1922 CE. The Roman Empire comes in at 17th place.
The largest superpower by percentage of world population was the Achaemenid Empire at 44% ca. 480 BCE. The Roman Empire comes in at fourth place (after the Achaemenid, Sassanid, and Qing Empires).
Please get your facts straight before making (I hope, unintentional) false statements.
Now back to Prophecy vs Free Will.
Edited by anglagard, : Didn't go far enough down the list, sorry Sassanids.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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Message 109 of 168 (630779)
08-27-2011 6:53 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by IamJoseph
08-27-2011 5:29 PM


Re: Wrong (Likely Due to Eurocentrism)
IamJoseph writes:
Land and population is not the best criteria. The British empire had near equivalent counter empires [French, Spain, Austrian]; the Persians lost to the Greek empire. There was no counter to Rome's might for many centuries on this planet. The Brits lost to America, India and Germany. Rome's greatest war was with the smallest province, by period and human toll, 66 - 135 CE; toll of over 2.5 Million - equivalent to some 30M today.
Indeed "There was no counter to Rome's might for many centuries on this planet."
Which century are you talking about? They were challenged every century. Carthage, Parthians, Teutonberg Forest, Goths, Huns, name one century they were not challenged. Hell, they even had to build two walls to keep the Picts from eating them for dinner.
{ABE} Is there anything you actually got right?
British empire had near equivalent counter empires [French, Spain, Austrian]
Are you referring to, in sequence, after 1588, 1815, ever?
the Persians lost to the Greek empire
Uh, Marathon and Salamis, 480 BCE kept the Persians out, Alexander (the Macedonian) ca. 330 BCE conquered the Persian Empire. Calculator says 480 - 330 =150, also what Greek Empire, that is, other than the Macedonian Empire under Alexander?
The Brits lost to America, India and Germany.
When did these imaginary Brits lose a war with Germany? Are you referring to the Hanoverian succession? Hardly constitutes a war.
Rome's greatest war was with the smallest province, by period and human toll, 66 - 135 CE; toll of over 2.5 Million - equivalent to some 30M today.
More than the Second Punic War? You know Hannibal was in Italy itself, elephants and all. The Jewish Revolt was hardly the greatest challenge to Rome, if not Hannibal, try Attila or Etruscia. I have a bunch more if interested.{/ABE}
It would be off topic for me to debate you on your apparent lack of historical knowledge in this thread as you clearly deny the very existence of the Mongol Empire along with the various empires of China, India, and Persia thereby proving my subheading is completely appropriate.
If you would like to challenge anything I may have to say about history, please be my guest and PNT.
Edited by anglagard, : No reason given.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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anglagard
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From: Socorro, New Mexico USA
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Message 112 of 168 (630785)
08-27-2011 8:13 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by IamJoseph
08-27-2011 7:16 PM


Sorry Mods, Someone is Lying About History on the Internet
Anglagard writes:
Which century are you talking about? They were challenged every century. Carthage, Parthians, Teutonberg Forest, Goths, Huns, name one century they were not challenged. Hell, they even had to build two walls to keep the Picts from eating them for dinner.
IamJoseph writes:
The early names you mention were a pre-empire phase of Rome, while with the others, 'challenging' the Roman empire does not constitute an equivalence.
Augustus, first Roman Emperor 27 BCE-14 CE.
Battle of Teutonberg Forest, Rome lost 3 legions (15k+) 9 CE.
Hadrian's Wall 122 CE+
Antonine Wall 142 CE+
Goths 238 CE +
Atilla 450 CE + (Battle of the Catalaunian Plains 451 CE)
Fall of Western Empire 476 CE.
If the Roman Empire was so all-powerful, why did half of it fall in 476, why did the other half fall in 1453?
I did not deny any of those; they were too far off, otherwise they would have fallen to Rome. Distance does not imply equivalence. My history is not in error: the Roman empire is universally regarded the most powerful one of its time, as well as one which had no similar equivalent opposition in any other time since then.
Hell, Hadrian couldn't even keep the Parthians out of Mesopotamia after Trajan's death. You mean to tell me that Hadrian or Trajan could have gone right on through the Kushan Empire and straight into Han China with no opposition? A laughable concept.
Also, any empire since then? Like the Mongol Empire (#2 after Vicki, Ed, and George), that took out half the Muslim conquests until the Mamelukes stopped them cold a thousand years after Hadrian?
Out of respect for the mods, this will be my last response to your misrepresentations, next is a PNT. Show up or be forever labeled.
Edited by anglagard, : Chill a bit, I really hate misrepresentations, particularly about history.
Edited by anglagard, : Transposed Augustus reign, that would have been embarrassing.

Read not to contradict and confute, not to believe and take for granted, not to find talk and discourse, but to weigh and consider. - Francis Bacon

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