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Author Topic:   ACI versus EPA: What happens when you put non-scientists in charge of science issues
Dr Adequate
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Message 22 of 46 (637042)
10-13-2011 3:09 AM
Reply to: Message 21 by Taz
10-13-2011 12:46 AM


Re: A matter of state.
THIS JUST IN, CONSPIRACY AMONG CONCRETE ENGINEERS TO HIDE TOXIC HAZARDOUS WASTE RIGHT UNDERNEATH YOUR FEET!
THIS JUST IN, MOST PEOPLE ARE SWIMMING IN TOXIC HAZARDOUS WASTE WITHOUT KNOWING IT!
CONSERVATIVE MORAL CHRISTIAN OBLIGATION TO RID SOCIETY OF TOXIC HAZARDOUS WASTE.
You know how much tea partiers and conservatives love sensationalist language. Just wait and see.
Well, that depends on how you spin it. If you tell them that sequestering fly-ash in concrete will protect the environment and is a form of ecologically responsible recycling, they'll be against it. If you tell them that it will increase profits for big corporations while exposing ordinary Americans to carcinogens, they'll ask if there's any way they can help.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 33 of 46 (637370)
10-15-2011 6:53 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Taz
10-14-2011 11:08 PM


So... are you against people taking a critical view of evolutionary theory? I'm not getting this. You admit that the label is accurate. But then you're against it because... it encourages school kids to take a critical approach to learning it?
Here's something else that is absolutely true that you could teach schoolchildren.
"All black men carry genetic markers associated with violence. Studies have shown that someone with these genes is ten times more likely to commit a violent crime than those without them."
If you think about why this is true, you will see why it shouldn't be taught.
I am having some difficulty seeing where the fly-ash fits into this.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 41 of 46 (637711)
10-17-2011 3:36 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by Taz
10-15-2011 6:28 PM


I don't know if it's an attempt to undermine the legitimacy of science. I do think it's ill-informed.
Having read the various comments on this thread, I do wonder whether maybe you're making a big fuss about nothing. I mean, what is actually going to happen? People can still make concrete using fly ash, yes? And no-one's going to have to label that concrete as "toxic waste", yes? And anyone who is simultaneously smart enough to find out that concrete includes fly ash and dumb enough not to understand why this is a good idea is not going to be buying concrete in bulk anyway.
And fly ash is in fact toxic waste.
Have I missed something?
Short version: show me the customer you will lose as a result of this decision.
Edited by Dr Adequate, : No reason given.

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Dr Adequate
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Message 46 of 46 (638041)
10-19-2011 11:56 AM
Reply to: Message 43 by Taz
10-18-2011 8:26 PM


I can't ...
Well then.
That's where the inaccuracy comes from. No one is trying to argue with you that the label "toxic waste" is technically inaccurate. But it is as accurate as the label "Humans rape and torture, and Dr A is a human".
And for this reason I do not object if people treat me with slightly more caution than they would a bunny-rabbit, a daffodil, or a cupcake.

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