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Author Topic:   radical liberals (aka liberal commies) vs ultra conservatives (aka nutjobs)
Huntard
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Message 89 of 300 (659101)
04-12-2012 12:44 PM
Reply to: Message 88 by Straggler
04-12-2012 12:28 PM


Re: A statist by any other name...
Straggler writes:
I think I agree. I'm not sure how it could be otherwise in any practical sense.
I think this can largely be mirrored by the "are we living in the matrix" thing.
Factually, it might be correct to say that we live in the matrix, yet, practically, this is completely irrelevant. As long as no one is aware of this, the matrix is our reality
So, factually, it might be correct to say that some rights are unalienable. but practically that is completely irrelevant. As long as people violate those rights, it doesn't matter whether you have them or not.

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Huntard
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Message 116 of 300 (659237)
04-13-2012 3:53 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Panda
04-13-2012 1:39 PM


Re: Human Rights
Panda writes:
So, my rights are superseded if they conflict with someone else's rights?
A question that pops into my mind is whose rights are violated by you taking heroin? Or by you allowing your children to take heroin?
To counter:
Taq writes:
It has been determined that drug trafficking threatens the human rights of others, namely the increase in crime rates.
Not if we were to legalize drugs.

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Huntard
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Posts: 2870
From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 117 of 300 (659238)
04-13-2012 3:58 PM
Reply to: Message 107 by Straggler
04-13-2012 12:56 PM


Re: Human Rights
Straggler writes:
The Golden Rule which I mentioned earlier is effectively a reasoned expression of these things and about as close to a "universal" basis for morality as I think you can get.
I'd say "do unto others as they would like to be done by (correct phrasing?), unless it impedes on other persons who are unwilling to participate" Is a much better one. Perhaps I do not like to receive a spanking in an S&M session, to use an extreme example, but what if someone else does like it? Am I to deny them their right good spanking because I myself would not like to receive one?

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Huntard
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Message 119 of 300 (659240)
04-13-2012 4:11 PM
Reply to: Message 118 by Straggler
04-13-2012 4:03 PM


Re: Human Rights
Straggler writes:
I think "doing unto others as you would have them do unto you" includes letting others decide what they do or don't like being done to them.
Perhaps. Then again, I am drunk.
I know that I would object vociferously if my particular perverted desire to have my nipples clamped was denied me by those who don't share my fondness for nipple based pain-pleasures.
I'd let them decide what they do or don't like and I demand the same from them.
But they don't like nipple crushing bricks of death, and they can't fathom anyone liking them either. Now what? In my case, They'd crush those nipples till they looked like bloody miniature cauliflowers. In your case they'd go: "No way! Nobody'd want that!" and walk away. Leaving your nipples pretty, and your sausage limp.
By the way, which cream do you use to get rid of the irritated skin?
On a more serious note. Yes, the golden rule does seem rather good, until you come upon complete morons (which the most of the human race are, in my opinion, but perhaps that is a different topic), and they can't imagine anyone not liking what they are liking.

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 123 of 300 (659246)
04-13-2012 5:04 PM
Reply to: Message 121 by Taq
04-13-2012 4:54 PM


Re: Human Rights
Taq writes:
The right to self defense is unalienable, and it is the right that supersedes the right of liberty for those who violate the rights of others.
All inalienable rights are inalienable, some are just more inalienable than others.
Edited by Huntard, : Spellings

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Huntard
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From: Limburg, The Netherlands
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Message 124 of 300 (659247)
04-13-2012 5:06 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Taq
04-13-2012 5:01 PM


Re: Human Rights
Taq writes:
That is a very interesting discussion to have, one that has puzzled philosophers for quite some time. Should we be allowed to lock people up purely to protect them from themselves?
What do you mean, protect them from themselves? Using drugs doesn't mean there are negative side effects. And in any case, I think the answer should be no.

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