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Author Topic:   Rape victim denied emergency contraception based on religious beliefs of the doctor.
Thor
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Message 20 of 48 (437122)
11-28-2007 10:16 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by StrawberryPatchBug
11-28-2007 6:54 PM


Where would it end?
I am personally scared because Pennsylvania seems to be the next in line for legislation in favor of these zealot doctors.
I don't like the sound of that. What you get there is a situation where someone who is licensed by the government to provide a specific community service (in this case doctors or pharmacists), can arbitrarily refuse to provide only certain parts of that service which is expected of them. And it is written in law that they can do this!
I wonder what kind of precedent that could set. What other licensed community service professionals will be allowed to pick and choose what parts of that service to provide, based on their religious beliefs? And to what extent would different religious beliefs be taken seriously? For example, could we see a situation where a Scientologist pharmacist could refuse to dispense anti-depressant medication? Maybe an Islamic police officer could refuse to investigate a burglary or hold-up at a liquor store. Maybe a Hindu firefighter could refuse to take part in putting out a fire at a mosque. Maybe an atheist road worker could refuse to do road works that facilitate traffic access to a church.
I don't really see any of these examples as being any different in principle than the original birth-control situation under discussion. I'm not a lawyer, but I know legal precedent does count for something. It seems to me that passing such laws is potentially opening a huge can of worms. My bottom line is that if you're not willing to do all aspects of the job then it's best you find another line of work.
I could say that at least it's not happening here in Oz, but if something starts happening in the US it always seems to show up here after a couple of years or so. We'll cop it soon enough.

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Thor
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From: Sydney, Australia
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Message 44 of 48 (437401)
11-29-2007 10:07 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by subbie
11-29-2007 12:51 AM


Re: Where would it end?
Most Islamic cabbies working at the airport in Minneapolis/St. Paul will not take a fare if they know that the person is carrying alcohol. It's creating rather a nuisance situation. Apparently in at least a few cases, if the cabbie finds out about the alcohol during the ride, they will simply tell the rider to get out of the cab on the spot, regardless of where in the ride that happens to be.
As Jazzns mentioned I’d say this is not quite as serious as doctors and pharmacists withholding their services. An inconvenience for sure, but hardly life-changing. That said, cabbies are part of the whole public transportation infrastructure and I don’t think religion is a reasonable basis to deny that service to people. Where people are drunk, abusive, potentially violent or whatever I think that it’s quite within a cabbies rights to decide whether to accept the fare or not, as their personal safety is at risk. A normal, sober person who happens to be carrying alcohol is not a reasonable safety risk in itself.
And from your other message .
Hypothetically, in a jurisdiction where wrongful birth might be recognized, I can see a pharmacist's refusal to fill a doctor written prescription could be the kind of wrongful conduct that might give rise to liability.
I’ll bet there are a few lawyers out there that are greedily rubbing their hands together in anticipation of these situations. Some of those that are currently chasing ambulances might start hanging around outside pharmacies instead!
Basically, a pharmacist is NOT a doctor and has no business acting against a doctor’s decision. A possible exception may be cases where specific pharmaceutical knowledge highlights issues, such as interactions between different medications, where a doctor may not be as up-to-date on the details as a pharmacist (and in such cases, I’d expect the pharmacist to be contacting the doctor and discussing it, not just refusing service).
Say that a woman comes in with a prescription for emergency contraception. The pharmacist has no knowledge of the woman’s circumstances, for all he/she knows the woman may have a medical condition that makes it life-threatening for both her and the (potential) baby if she was to fall pregnant. Doctors know this stuff, pharmacists don’t. I think where a pharmacist goes against a doctor’s decision it’s a clear case of wrongful conduct whether or not it’s a wrongful birth issue. That’s my humble opinion anyway!

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Thor
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Posts: 148
From: Sydney, Australia
Joined: 12-20-2004


Message 45 of 48 (437405)
11-29-2007 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 39 by StrawberryPatchBug
11-29-2007 7:13 PM


Re: Where would it end?
You have a great point here Thor (especially with the Scientologists)
It is starting something that could snowball into something terrible.
Yeah I think it has the potential to be a right bloody mess, causing much conflict, cost and litigation.
And as was previously said, the bottom line is to be a doctor you need to have a license that allows you to practice medicine as a public service, failing to do so based on a belief, basically saying "no I don't feel like providing that service" should result in nothing less than having that license revoked.
That’s what it comes down to and not much I can add to that. You’re licensed to provide this service that the community depends on so either do it in its entirety, or if you’re not willing then move aside for someone who will.

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