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Author Topic:   Ancestral and daughter species existing simultaneously?
herebedragons
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Message 6 of 12 (669955)
08-06-2012 7:48 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by The Dude
08-06-2012 4:22 PM


Yes, there are
Hey Dude ...
Is there any example of such a case in the real world?
The phenomenon you are describing is refereed to as adaptive radiation. And there are quite a few examples. Islands seem to be common places to find such ancestral species and daughter species existing at one time.
There are more than 800 species of drosophilid flies on the Hawaiian Islands.
The Hawaiian silverswords are another example: about 30 species in three genera - Argyroxiphium, Dubautia, and Wilkesia
Darwin's finches are one of the most famous examples. Note that some say that this is just an example of beak sizes varying, not really speciation. Don't be fooled. There are some species that eat insects, some eat seeds of various sizes, some eat nectar - genera Geospiza, CAmarhynchus, Cactospiza, Platyspiza and Certhidea. There may be a couple more too.
African cichlids are another good example of this also.
source: Evolution, Douglas Futuyma, 2nd edition
Remember though, that the modern version of the ancestral species has probably changed somewhat since the two populations diverged, even with the lack of selection pressure, simply due to genetic drift.
Hope this helps
HBD
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herebedragons
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Message 7 of 12 (669957)
08-06-2012 8:10 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by jar
08-06-2012 6:54 PM


Interestingly, jar, this case turned out to be phenotypic plasticity, or at least the changes were reported to be reversible. I did a paper on it for a class on speciation.
quote:
A study published in 2010 (Vervust, et. al.), showed that at least some of these changes were reversible. Researchers captured a subset population from Pod Mrcaru and housed them in terraria. They were fed a strictly arthropod diet for 15 weeks and the gut morphology was then examined. The small intestine and the hindgut showed a significant reduction in weight. Additionally, no evidence of a cecal valve was found in any of the 20 specimens examined. This group still had a more developed digestive tract than the original population from Pod Kopite, but the authors felt that with a continued arthropod diet, even those differences would be erased
the quote is from my paper
source is here
Still a very interesting case and a great example of the founder effect. I am not sure if any more recent work has been done on this, but I doubt the Pod Mrcaru population has been classified as a separate species, perhaps a variety ???
HBD

Whoever calls me ignorant shares my own opinion. Sorrowfully and tacitly I recognize my ignorance, when I consider how much I lack of what my mind in its craving for knowledge is sighing for. But until the end of the present exile has come and terminated this our imperfection by which "we know in part," I console myself with the consideration that this belongs to our common nature. - Francesco Petrarca

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