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Omnivorous
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Message 3 of 38 (678490)
11-08-2012 3:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by dronestar
11-08-2012 11:55 AM


Clinton/Warren 2016 has a nice ring to it.

"If you can keep your head while those around you are losing theirs, you can collect a lot of heads."

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Message 5 of 38 (678502)
11-08-2012 5:43 PM
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11-08-2012 3:42 PM


I'd vote for any of the above.

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Message 7 of 38 (678510)
11-08-2012 6:33 PM
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11-08-2012 5:51 PM


Re: A new face to watch
jar writes:
Keep an eye on the new kid in the 'hood, Julin Castro.
Took some research--I tend to avoid the textual morasses of Texas politics
But I like the cut of his jib. I'd see him as a great VP candidate in 2016 or 2020.
The Democratic bench is remarkably deep, diverse and cause for hope.

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Message 26 of 38 (678574)
11-09-2012 7:43 AM
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11-08-2012 8:05 PM


Be willing to step off the cliff
jar writes:
Push the House of Representatives to address the fiscal cliff, make them raise taxes
This is crucial.
Obama should start negotiations with the GOP by making it clear that stepping off the fiscal cliff is preferable to any deal that does not eliminate or reduce the Bush tax cuts for the super-rich.
He does not have to face reelection, and higher taxes on the wealthy will not be a problem for the 2016 Democratic candidate.
We may never get another opportunity to cut the bloated Pentagon budget, and we face no credible military threat.
Democrats in Congress can immediately introduce legislation to ameliorate the impact on lower and middle income folks. If the GOP thinks holding the middle class and the economy hostage to ever greater income transfers to the wealthy is a winning strategy, let them face the electorate on that basis in 2014. This fight is about more than fiscal matters in 2012--it's about stopping hostage taking by a minority party of ideologues.
He spent most of his first term seeking bipartisan accords with the TP-dominated GOP reps. It's time to play hardball. He must not start negotiations by offering compromises before place settings are even on the table.
Harry Reid is fond of the dance or fight (and his preference for dance) metaphor--but the GOP won't dance until you draw some blood.

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Message 27 of 38 (678576)
11-09-2012 7:49 AM
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11-08-2012 10:54 PM


ramoss writes:
I personally do not think that Clinton will be running. I think her stint as Secretary of State has burnt her out on the day to day politics.
I think fatigue is one reason she's stepping down as Secretary of State.
That would diminish her appetite for jumping into electoral politics now.
A few years from now...not so much. I don't think her drive and ambition are the sort that just get switched off.
Edited by Omnivorous, : No reason given.

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Message 38 of 38 (678972)
11-11-2012 9:28 PM
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11-09-2012 10:53 PM


Re: Be willing to step off the cliff
NoNukes writes:
True, but he does have an obligation to make sure that Democrats are at least viable in the midterm elections of 2014, and some smaller obligation not to make Democrat a legitimate cuss word in 2016.
And an even greater obligation to restore some semblance of economic justice to the tax code.
If we walk off the "cliff" because the GOP holds 99% of us hostage to 1%, I think Democratic interests will be served just fine in 2014 and 2016.
Obama has vowed to veto any extension of the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy. I think he's on the right track.

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