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Omnivorous
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Message 47 of 75 (351693)
09-23-2006 10:29 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
09-21-2006 11:26 PM


Robin writes:
Man came late in the evolutionary process. For billions of years before that, life forms battled each other on a killing field in the pre-Fall world. This was so because life was set up in such way that the only way creatures could survive was by feeding off other life forms. What manner of God would produce such a system?
There have been other answers.
Prayer to a Deer Slain by a Hunter
Excerpted from Ojibway Heritage
By Basil Johnston
I have sundered your spirit from its wordly frame.
No more will you run in freedom
Because of my need.
I had need.
You have in life served your kind in goodness.
By your life, I will serve my brothers.
Without you I hunger and grow weak.
Without you I am helpless, nothing.
I had need.
Give me your flesh for strength.
Give me your casement for protection.
Give me your bones for my labours,
And I shall not want.
Also, you say:
One might counter that our morality is subjective, so our moral judgment against God is no evidence of cruelty. But if our moral judgments are subjective, then the concept of sin is meaningless. Hence, evolution and Christianity (of the traditional sort) do not mix.
If God defines sin, and God is objective, then the subjective nature of our moral judgment is irrelevant. But it seems to me that the actual meaning of "subjective" is that things appear uniquely to each observer, so God would be just as subjective as the rest of us.
Of course God would think everyone is out of stop but Johnny--who doesn't?

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Omnivorous
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Message 69 of 75 (356032)
10-11-2006 11:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by robinrohan
09-21-2006 11:26 PM


One more thing, Robin, before you go...
Robin writes:
Man came late in the evolutionary process. For billions of years before that, life forms battled each other on a killing field in the pre-Fall world. This was so because life was set up in such way that the only way creatures could survive was by feeding off other life forms.
What manner of God would produce such a system? A cruel God, not the God of Christianity.
...
Hence, evolution and Christianity (of the traditional sort) do not mix.
Hi, Robin. We discussed this privately, but I hope you won't mind me sharing some of it publicly, because I think something of your essence is in it.
You'll recall that I asked you, what difference does it make if we arose by evolution or by a creator's fiat?
The world is "red in tooth and claw" now, however it arose. Whether this struggle for survival has contradicted the notion of a loving God for merely six millennia or for billions of years makes only a difference of degree. The contradiction, Sir (I said, knowing you would appreciate the Victorian rhetoric and commas), is absolute--only the length of its existence is in question.
You sent me a rare smilie for that, and as you know, I treasure smilies because we are often too grim a folk.
You were a beautiful boy, Robin, and in the pictures of your later years I see the same poet's eyes, shadowed a bit by the largeness of the light and dark a boy could not suspect but a man must necessarily discover.
You once impatiently told jar that beauty was no longer a sufficient reply to suffering, but I have seen you now with your loved ones, and I know that beauty, and its handmaidens, love and truth, were enough. They are always enough.
That's all, Rob. You were wrong. You were right. See you soon.

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Omnivorous
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Message 71 of 75 (356043)
10-12-2006 12:12 AM
Reply to: Message 70 by Faith
10-11-2006 11:59 PM


Re: One more thing, Robin, before you go...
Faith writes:
Excuse the intrusion, Omni, but I don't see Robin's thoughts here, only yours.
No, I don't think I will excuse your intrusion, Faith. It is tasteless and ignorant. I know you think otherwise--but then, you cannot resist intruding into someone else's goodbye, can you?
Robin did not only speak privately to you, Faith. Your urge to discount and correct others is the facet I most often see of you.
You might be surprised to learn that my discussions with Robin included--at length--his thoughts and feelings about you.
Would you like to know more? A great deal more? Via direct quotes?
No?
Then butt out.

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