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Message 304 of 376 (710472)
11-05-2013 2:53 PM
Reply to: Message 301 by jaywill
11-05-2013 1:38 PM


Re: First man?
I don't rule out completely changes within species.
From the very start you rule out the possibility that humans evolved from a common ancestor shared with other species.
All-encompassing grand gradualism from below that bacteria to a long rise to the present biosphere - without goal, without a plan, without guidance? I don't think so.
Why not?
Animals lived. They no longer live for some reason. If they are ancestors to modern animals, I would look in the direction to sudden alterations of some kind. Long steady gradualism, I don't think occurred.
But, hey, to criticize evolution is to not understand evolution here. So ...
Why don't you think evolution occurred?
What evidence would you need? What features would a fossil need in order for you to accept it as being transitional between us and a common ancestor with other apes? What shared genetic marker would you accept as being evidence of the same shared ancestry? Or does the evidence not matter?

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Message 305 of 376 (710487)
11-05-2013 4:48 PM


Another point of view
For those who deny that there is evidence that supports evolution, I would like you to help me understand your point of view. Instead of arguing about whether this or that is evidence, I would rather ask you what evidence you are actually looking for. We can even start from the perspective that life is designed, if you so choose.
The real question is how would the evidence be different if evolution were true? Let's be more specific. How would these fossils look different if evolution were true, and why?
http://www.theistic-evolution.com/hominids2_big.jpg
If the comparison of the human and chimp genome does not evidence evolution, then what features should be there if evolution is true? What genes should be shared that are not currently shared, and why?

  
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Message 307 of 376 (710489)
11-05-2013 6:06 PM
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11-05-2013 5:38 PM


Re: First man?
It wasn't the case at all. The reality has been explained to you several times in this thread. It's also been pointed out to you that there is no racism or Social Darwinism in Origin of Species.
To put this in a more philosophical context, this is the infamous Is/Ought problem:
"Furthermore, it argues that just because someone has knowledge of how the world is (descriptive statements), this doesn't automatically prove that he knows how the world ought to be (prescriptive statements) and it is in fact impossible to derive the second based solely on the information of the first."
Is—ought problem - RationalWiki
IOW, science describes what the outcome of our actions will be. Morality describes which actions we should take. The two are separate processes. Science will tell us that pushing someone off of the Empire State building will kill them. Morality tells us whether we should push them or not. In the same way, the theory of evolution tells us that if we kill everyone with a certain trait that this trait will disappear from the population. It is morality, not science or the theory of evolution, that tells us whether we should do it or not.

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Message 312 of 376 (710523)
11-06-2013 10:44 AM
Reply to: Message 309 by jaywill
11-05-2013 8:18 PM


" ... The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. "
What did Darwin mean ?
"If Evolution is true then racism is valid because some races will have evolved further than other races. This is clear in Darwin's second work Titled "The Descent of Man" , where one entire chapter was dedicated to The Races of Man. - one Jeffd_57 from a discussion -
Nowhere in the theory of evolution does it state that we should judge a person's worth or place in society by the DNA sequence of their genome. Nowhere.
Remember your rant about people being trustworthy? You have shown yourself to be a liar, a charlatan, and someone who is not trustworthy.

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Message 322 of 376 (710605)
11-07-2013 10:31 AM
Reply to: Message 314 by jaywill
11-07-2013 4:22 AM


My referring to what someone said in discussions on the Internet about Darwin is no different from those referring me to what someone else said on talkorigins.org
You are trying to claim that the theory of evolution leads to genocide and racism. That is a lie. Quoting someone spreading a lie on a website does not stop it from being a lie.
My main purpose here was to study the Bible. The Bible reveals Adam and Eve as the parents of all of us.
The problem is that you are making claims about biology and the reality outside of the Bible. The map is not the territory.

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Message 330 of 376 (710630)
11-07-2013 4:56 PM
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11-07-2013 2:36 PM


What I see is that God has purposely done or allowed things to occur in the beginning of human history so that all could understand that our beginnings here on this planet are ROOTED in the supernatural.
What evidence do you have that what you claim to see is actually real?

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Message 371 of 376 (710895)
11-12-2013 11:14 AM
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11-07-2013 6:14 PM


The continued existence of the nation of Israel is a factor leading me to believe what is written in the Bible is trustworthy.
You mean continued as in continued from the 1950's? You are seeing things. Israel has been controlled more by non-Jews than by Jews over the last 2,000 years.

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