Persecuted Christians finally getting noticed

It appears she was detained at the airport. Details are sketchy even now, but the state department is saying that she has NOT be arrested again.

From what I see in the Guardian article, she has South Sudanese issued papers with citizenship based on her marriage. However her marriage to a Christian, is by Sudan law, illegal.Pretty bizarre in my opinion. Logical in the same way the Dred Scott verdict was logical. Scott could not sue in a US court because he could not prove that he was a citizen of the US or any other country. Not a surprising result after you have been enslaved and brought to a new country without any identity papers.

Sure. And isn't a theocracy exactly what you'd like to have if you could? Why, yes it is Message 332

Fox and ABC news are reporting that Mariam Ibrahim has been released again. This time I'm going to wait to hear about her arrival in some town with a sane legal situation before I celebrate.

I'd say that's a bit of a revisionist recollection. Maybe it is what you actually feel, but it is not exactly the sentiment you expressed during the thread. You came to the realization that a theocracy would not work after a huge discussion in which we convinced you that the US Constitution would not allow things like denying political power to non-believers in your state. So apparently you accepted that there would be non-believers.

The only reason to change your mind would be to acknowledge the truth. You would not have to do that even if I did provide prof. In this case though, the entire sorry discussion is archived, and anyone can see your plans for people who don't agree with you and who find themselves in your theocratic state.

You said a bit more than that. You said that they could stay but would have no political power. You did acknowledge that they could leave. You suggested letting states vote on being the new Puritan state.On the other hand, you did seem to be a bit surprised that people would not voluntarily leave when you took over. Perhaps you simply did not think things through.

This is not a comparison I could imagine being invited a sensible person defending the Bible. The Bible describes plenty of evil treatment of slaves as being perfectly allowable and in some cases proscribed by law. We can also find plenty of descriptions of stoning and other types of capital punishment in response to violations of laws concerning infidelity, picking up sticks on the wrong day, witchcraft, and blasphemy.Indentured servants who were Hebrews were treated humanely. But actual slaves could be beaten severely with impunity.

I have to agree with Hooah on this. You and Phat have the wrong end of the stick. You aren't being persecuted here. Something near 75% of Americans identify as Christian, but somehow they are persecuted by the remaining Americans.Some Christians feel persecuted when people say "Seasons Greetings" to them during the Christmas holidays. Other Christians believe not being able to express their hatred of gays is some kind of persecution. Well it is not.And complaining about indifference? What kind of whining is that?And you Faith? Complaining about how someone else distorts history? Distorting history is your main shtick here. You never tell history correctly. Well, that and telling other Christians that they are not Christians.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Fifty years ago? I remember that. It used to be that you could hate Catholics and most Americans would nod in agreement. Then we went and elected one of them president. Down hill from there. Civil rights act, teaching biology in science classrooms. Opposition to a war for goodness sake!!

I found the Allen's editorial here:Charlotte Allen: Meriam Ibrahim and the Persecution of Christians - WSJ.I find the article to be pretty much as Faith summarized it.

I just tried the same link and this time it was blocked for me too. Must have been some kind of glitch because I do not subscribe.

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Amnesty International has admirably agitated for Meriam Ibrahim's release, but partly on grounds of Amnesty's opposition to the death penalty. Even many Christian churches in the West seem to be too constrained by ethnic sensitivities to assert themselves on behalf of their persecuted brethren. They haven't paid much attention to the near-extermination of the ancient Christian communities in Iraq during the past decade of turmoil, or to the systematic destruction of Coptic churches in Egypt by Islamic radicals in 2013.

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Note here that Allen is directing this part of her ire at churches rather than at hostile non-believers.

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Meriam Ibrahim did manage to gain the attention and sympathy of the West by reason of her courage, her beauty, her status as a mother of two young children and the extreme circumstances of her case. If there are parallels between her experience and a story of ancient martyrdom, the lesson might be that the West's cultured classes' hostility to Christianity, like that of their of Roman forbears, results in a passivity that tolerates attacks on people whose only crime is their faith.

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This portion seems to be directed at the people who are persecuting Faith.

The current persecution is primarily being instigated by her own family.

I read that the suit was dropped and reinstated again. The charges are in essence apostasy and the resulting shame to the family. Only in a theocracy...