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Topic: Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: They end asking about a God who tortures babies as God did to King David’s baby.
Just to be clear, "torture" is your own inflammatory fabrication that doesn't fit the story.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 9 of 45 (760484)
06-22-2015 1:02 PM
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Reply to: Message 8 by Straggler
06-22-2015 12:57 PM
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Straggler writes: If water boarding qualifies as torture then imposing a worldwide flood that subjects kids to the same sort of experience (with death as the end result) - Could conceivably be considered torture.
I was only responding to the example that Greatest I am gave. Maybe he should have used yours.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: Then you do not know the story.
jar quoted the story in Message 7. There is no mention of suffering at all. For all we know, the baby was unconscious for a week.
Greatest I am writes: It is just one of a number of instances where God punishes the innocent instead of the guilty.
Then why don't you use a good example instead of a bad one?
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: True that we do not know the details to firm up the condemnation against God for his actions, but we do know enough to see what a real vile demiurge his is.
Whether He's vile or not is not the issue. You don't get to call a murderer a torturer just because he's vile.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: Correct but we would if, like God in this story, it took him 7 days to finish up.
Not at all. As I said, the baby could well have been unconscious the whole time. There is no hint of torture. Your embellishment says more about your faults than God's.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: I do not torture babies.
Who does? Your topic title seems to be moot.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: You like that word.
What word? Really, you're not making any sense. You use an example of "torture" that doesn't contain any torture. Then you don't even make an attempt to back up your claim. Try to think before you post.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: Finally, after the baby suffered for seven days, God killed him.
No. There's nothing said about the baby suffering.
Greatest I am writes: Was what killed the baby not torture?
No.
Greatest I am writes: If not, what would you call its 6 days of ------------
I'd call it what the Bible calls it - sickness.
Greatest I am writes: I like to learn new words.
You should learn what torture means before you move on.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: So to you, if I impose a sickness into a child for 6 days before I finally allow that sickness to kill it, it is not torture.
No, of course not. It is not torture. It is not playing the piano. It is not ice cream. It is what it is - sickness.
Greatest I am writes: I do not agree and you begin to shame our country with your idiocy and show of poor morals.
Using words correctly is not poor morals.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 442 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Greatest I am writes: Sickness is a thing that happens inadvertently. When an evil mind decides to inflict it intentionally, it become torture.
No it doesn't. Inflicting sickness is not torture. Inflicting suffering is torture but the story says nothing about suffering.
Greatest I am writes: Water and a rag is not torture but put the two together intentionally over a face and it becomes waterboarding.
When there is suffering, it is torture. A wet rag is not torture unless there is suffering.
Greatest I am writes: If you cannot see it then go away as we are done here.
What you're saying is blatantly false. I'm not going anywhere until you stop saying it.
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