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What 'you people' are you referring too?

God Bless,

Yes I have a question.

How does a bunch of pictures lined up in a row which are said to be millions of years apart have anything to do with evolution?

Is not it just just as plausible that they were created as they are found in different parts of eternity?

God Bless,

Let me give it a go.

There was an extended light period that ended at Genesis 1:2 with darkness.

There is no way anyone can determine the duration of this light period.

During this light period in which the earth began to exist and had no oceans. The following things took place.

The heavens began to exist.

The earth began to exist.

All the oil, and natural gas in the earth began to exist.

Mankind began to exist.

Trees and vegetation began to exist.

All kinds of creatures began to exist

Mankind lived and reproduced.

Mankind built cities.

There was all kinds of creatures that began to exist and went extinct during this light period.

The cities were destroyed at some point during this light period or at the end of it.

The earth was covered with water and all life forms ceased to exist.

There was darkness over the face of the earth, which ended the light period the heavens and the earth began to exist in.

Time as mankind knows it began to exist with the declaration of day one which took place a few thousand years ago.

Evidence:
"The universe has not always existed". Steven Hawkings.

Fossils in and on mountains require them to have been covered with water.

The fossils that has been presented in this and many other threads on this site. Prove that there has been many creatures who have began to exist and then ceased to exist.

The sudden appearances of specific fossils in the fossil record.

The fact that no one knows how life on earth began to exist.

The fact that no one knows how the universe began to exist.

That should give you guys enough motivation to get out the flame throwers.

God Bless,

I have the same fossil record that you do. I just read it differently than you do.

God Bless,

I am a Creationist. You are a Creationist unless you believe the Universe has always existed.

But you were talking about Young Earth Creationists. Which have followed the visions that Ellen G. White had as a teenager. She was the first one who put forth the catastrophic flood in which produced all the layers of strata that is observed today.

This belief has only existed since the middle of the 1800's.

God Bless,

What speculation.

I used all your your evidence for evolution.

Are you saying they are all wrong.

God Bless,

Are you telling me you do not believe that the universe began to exist?

Are you telling me you do not believe that the earth began to exist?

Are you telling me you do not believe that life began to exist?

If you do not believe they began to exist, do you believe they have always existed?

God Bless,

Where have I ignored it?

God Bless,

Since you like one liners lets try one thing at a time.

Heavens is the universe.

So did the universe have an instant in which the universe had a beginning to exist.

If the universe did not have an instant in which it had a beginning to exist, has it always existed?

God Bless,

No What?

Are you saying the universe does not exist? I don't think so.

The universe does exist.

That requires the universe had a beginning to exist as Stephen Hawking said.

If it had a beginning to exist that requires it be created by some means. There are several methods that have been proposed to accomplish that beginning to exist.

You may believe it was created by Hawking's instanton. Which would require existence for the instanton to exist or appear in.

You may believe it was created by two branes banging together. But then you have a problem of existing existence in which the universe began to exist.

If it was not created, how did the universe begin to exist?

If you got another explanation I would like to hear it.

God Bless,

We have to have a universe because No universe, no fossils.
No earth, no fossils.

Mankind beginning to exist gives reason for human remains to be found.

All kinds of creatures beginning to exist gives you all the fossils you have existing in the museum's today.

God Bless,

If the fossil record is not just a collection of fossils, what is it?

God Bless,

Do you believe or think the universe began to exist in an absence of light?

Are you telling me that the fossils could exist without the universe and the earth?

Without mankind existing you would have no fossils to put up to look at. If fact you would not exist.

OK lets say the universe exist.

That means we can have fossils.
Because mankind began to exist we can have human fossils.
Because all kinds of creature's began to exist we can have all kinds of fossils in our museum's.
Because the trees and vegetation began to exist we can have the oil, natural gas, and coal we have today, in which fossils are found, which is one reason it is called fossil fuels.

In his Lecture 'The Beginning of Time'.
" All the evidence seems to indicate, that the universe has not existed forever, but that it had a beginning"

He is one of the top of scientists of that 200 years.

Lets see: the fossils of water creatures were buried under layers of sediment. Did they not have to be in water and covered up?

That means those mountains were covered with water at one time.

You are not talking to a YEC creationist. I am super old creationist, older than you believe in.

They don't have to prove the earth is young as you assume I believe. I believe the universe is very old more than 15 billion years. In fact I believe in an older universe.

It doesn't refute that the earth is very old.
It does refute evolution, as the fossils do not support evolution. There is no gradual change shown in the fossil record. There is the fact that the record shows that at many times there appeared completely new creatures on the earth.

Completely new creatures who had not existed before.

I think you need to go back in history and do some studying about who contributed what to the present understanding of the universe.

God Bless,

Sorry I had overlook this post and then got so busy with more important things that I did not get back to it until now.

Began to exist, means exactly what it says.
Began to exist has nothing to say about how something began to exist.
Began to exist is the opposite of did not exist.

According to the BBT the universe existed at T=0 +a billionth of a second.

The scientific answer for what existed at T=0 is, "We don't know". The reason we don't know is that the mathamatics break down and can tell us nothing about whether some thing, or no thing existed at T=0

Since the universe did exist at T=0+one billionth of a second some thing had to exist at T=0 to produce what existed at T=0+one billionth of a second.

OR

#1. The universe began to exist from the absence of anything. (no thing)
#2. The universe began to exist from forces outside the universe.

I have been told here on many occasions that there is no thing that exist outside of the universe as it is self contained.

Why would I argue for YECism when I am older universe than you or anyone else that post on this site.

I am telling you that if there is no life there is nothing to evolve or was created. Thus there would be no discussion as we would not exist. It does not matter how that life began to exist, but since it does that gives us something to discuss.

OK so you don't believe the universe has existed eternally in the past.

Since it has not always existed then you must believe it had a beginning to exist as it does exist today.

The Hebrew word we translate as created means something that has not existed begins to exist.

So regardless of what theory you believe concerning how the universe began to exist since you don't believe it has always existed you are a creationist.

But no when you discuss creationist you only want to talk about YECism not creatonism

God Bless,

Better yet why don't you explain to ICANT how the universe began to exist if you do not believe it has existed eternally in the past.

God Bless,