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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8
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Faith writes: THAT's political correctness, a body of fixed opinion nobody is allowed to contradict on pain of getting at least a tongue lashing, even though it's usually a ridiculous fiction, and generally it's in the service of some notion of political unfairness or inequality or wounded self-esteem for some "victim" group. It's politically incorrect to suggest that women's muscles are naturally not as strong as men's. You gave three examples of what you call PC - weak female muscles, homosexuality as an aberation, violence in Islamic texts. There's objective truth in all those statements, on average women have less muscular strength than men, homosexuality is less prevalent than heterosexuality and there is violence in some Islamic texts. It's not the facts that people react to when such things are said - it's the value judgements underpinning them that gets criticised. Women aren't weak, homosexuality isn't wrongful and Muslim people aren't more violent that Christian people. I agree that people often have difficulty separating the ojective fact related content from the value laden assumptions that can lie within them, but that's why we need to be careful with words that we know can be misinterpreted.Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
dup
Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Faith  Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: |
It's not the facts that people react to when such things are said - it's the value judgements underpinning them that gets criticised. Women aren't weak, homosexuality isn't wrongful and Muslim people aren't more violent that Christian people. Those are statements of fact, not value judgments.Besides, who are you to dictate someone else's value judgment and harass them for not accepting it? Relative to men, women ARE weak. That's not a value judgment. According to the Bible homosexuality is a sin. That's a fact. And Muslims ARE more violent than Christians because of their religion. That's also a fact. -- abe: Perhaps it could be stated more precisely, such as There is a much higher percentage of Muslim violence than Christian violence, and it is due to their religion. The raping of women by the refugees for instance. The current persecutions of Christians around the world that I gave links to in Message 238 are mostly by Muslims. Edited by Faith, : No reason given. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Please point out where I said this was 'something conservatives don't do'.
Love your enemies!
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frako Member (Idle past 334 days) Posts: 2932 From: slovenija Joined: |
erhaps it could be stated more precisely, such as There is a much higher percentage of Muslim violence than Christian violence But most violent criminals in prison in america are christian, how does that fit in to your logic? And most terrorist attacks in america in the past 10 years have been comitted by christians. Edited by frako, : No reason given.Christianity, One woman's lie about an affair that got seriously out of hand What are the Christians gonna do to me ..... Forgive me, good luck with that.
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Faith writes:
If you read my posts, you'll find that I've taken some pretty INcorrect positions. For example, I've questioned the validity of "gender reassignment" and I've actually defended female circumcision FFS.
Liberals so often just don't think, they search around for the politically correct position and put that up for their opinion.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9 |
Jon writes: Please point out where I said this was 'something conservatives don't do'. I don't understand where the problem is. I extracted the back and forth in Message 194, it seems pretty clear. Your exact words in Message 182 were, "Conservatives don't typically do this...", and they appeared right after you "did this." This is taking way to many posts for what began as an offhand noting of irony. If you still don't see it then I'm going to stop replying. Sorry. --Percy
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Jon Inactive Member |
I see.
You got to your misunderstanding by taking what I said out of context. Let me put the context back in and help clear up your confusion. The relevant portion of the message reads:
quote: I thought it was pretty obvious that 'do this' was in reference to declaring people bigots, and that I stated unambiguously that I believe conservatives also sidestep addressing the content when I said they have 'their own methods for silencing opposition and relieving themselves of the responsibility of offering thoughtful responses'. And if this wasn't clear, it should be now.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
erhaps it could be stated more precisely, such as There is a much higher percentage of Muslim violence than Christian violence But most violent criminals in prison in america are christian, how does that fit in to your logic? And most terrorist attacks in america in the past 10 years have been comitted by christians. Most Americans are Christians. Edited by Jon, : No reason given.Love your enemies!
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Jon Inactive Member |
I agree that people often have difficulty separating the ojective fact related content from the value laden assumptions that can lie within them, but that's why we need to be careful with words that we know can be misinterpreted. People who consistently misinterpret everything they hear should just be ignored. Nobody should feel obligated to couch everything they say in special terms just so a bunch of nincompoops don't 'take it the wrong way'.Love your enemies!
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
I disagree, which is why I read your posts.
People who consistently misinterpret everything they hear should just be ignored.
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Jon Inactive Member |
Love your enemies!
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ringo Member (Idle past 440 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: |
Jon writes:
Thank you for your thoughtful reply.
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Percy Member Posts: 22503 From: New Hampshire Joined: Member Rating: 4.9
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Dissembling at its best.
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Tangle Member Posts: 9512 From: UK Joined: Member Rating: 4.8 |
Faith writes: Those are statements of fact, not value judgments. Yes Faith, that's exactly what I said.
Besides, who are you to dictate someone else's value judgment and harass them for not accepting it? I think you'll find that I'm not doing that, I'm explaining why you're getting the reactions you get.
quote: Yeh, that's actually what I said.
According to the Bible homosexuality is a sin. That's a fact. Ditto
And Muslims ARE more violent than Christians because of their religion. That's also a fact. -- abe: Perhaps it could be stated more precisely, such as There is a much higher percentage of Muslim violence than Christian violence, and it is due to their religion. The raping of women by the refugees for instance. The current persecutions of Christians around the world that I gave links to in Message 238 are mostly by Muslims. Just stick to it's a fact that there are violent passaged in the Koran - otherwise we'll get tangled up. Re-read my original post. Why do you think woman said that female muscles aren't weaker than men's? I think you have to accept the fact that she couldn't be arguing that women are as strong as men, so why do you think she said it?Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. Life, don't talk to me about life - Marvin the Paranoid Android "Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved." - Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.
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