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Author Topic:   The Clinton Email Controversy
Taq
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Message 4 of 56 (792714)
10-13-2016 12:45 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Percy
10-13-2016 11:08 AM


Percy writes:
Clinton used her personal server to send and receive State Department emails, including emails containing classified information, and including to people who had insufficient clearance.
There is a bit of nuance on this point, if I understand the situation correctly.
There are files marked "Classified" (Big C). They have a specific header on them marking them as classified.
Then there is classified information (little c). This is information you have learned from files marked Classified. What Hillary apparently did in some emails is discuss this classified information with other people over her private server. As far as I know, she did not send out files marked Classified (Big C) on her private email server.
From the wiki page:
"Three emails, out of 30,000, were found to be marked as classified, although they lacked classified headers and were only marked with a small "c" in parentheses, described as "portion markings" by Comey"
So only 3 emails had any markings declaring them to be Classified at the time they were handled by Clinton's email server.
Other former Secretaries of State have also used personal email addresses, but not to the extent of Clinton, and not with as serious lapses.
That is debatable. Secretary Powell discussed classified information over AOL servers, if memory serves. This certainly doesn't excuse anyone's behavior, including Clinton's, but it does give some context.

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Message 6 of 56 (792729)
10-13-2016 5:12 PM
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10-13-2016 4:55 PM


Percy writes:
There seems to be a lot of confusion out there about this, and there really shouldn't be because Comey was unambiguous in his press conference:
That's what I am seeing as well. Some people seem to think that every single document labeled Top Super Secret was being funneled through Clinton's server, but that just wasn't the case. In the end, she discussed classified information with people over her secured, but not US Federally secured, server.
I am more on the Berny side of the outrage spectrum when it comes to this topic. She made a mistake, no harm came from it, and she won't do it again. Can we just stop talking about it and move to things that do matter? The only people currently pushing this story are people who want to throw Hillary in jail on any charge they can find, true or untrue. What server she keeps email on really isn't something that Joe Schmoe really cares about.

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Message 18 of 56 (792958)
10-17-2016 10:27 AM
Reply to: Message 16 by RAZD
10-14-2016 5:54 PM


Re: (1) unsecured classified information and (2) the coverup
RAZD writes:
(1) unsecured classified information was on a private server -- there are several people that put classified information on a private device and were then prosecuted for breaking protocol, losing their classified status and being black-listed for ever seeing classified information ever again.
The first question that comes to mind is to ask if these other people just discussed classified information in emails, or if they disseminated documents that were marked as classified.
Added in much later edit:
Here is a decent website comparing the false equivalency between what Clinton did and what others have done with respect to mishandling classified information.
Right-Wing Media Run With Another Baseless Comparison With Clinton Emails | Media Matters for America
Same for the bank speeches (which we now have bits and pieces of from Podestas hacked emails), again pretending that it was nothing special (in spite of the high $$ fee).
What other presidential candidate has ever been expected to release transcripts of speeches made behind closed doors at a fund raising event?
Edited by Taq, : No reason given.

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Message 27 of 56 (793349)
10-26-2016 10:40 AM
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10-26-2016 12:50 AM


Hyroglyphx writes:
If ANYBODY else does the things she does, they go to prison for far less.
Your first job is to find someone who has done far less and who then went to jail. From all reports, Colin Powell also did what HRC did, and no one is putting him in jail.

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Message 54 of 56 (794093)
11-09-2016 5:36 PM
Reply to: Message 53 by New Cat's Eye
11-09-2016 1:21 PM


Re: The FBI politicized? Say it isn't so!
That reminds me of the self-fulfilling question, "Can I interrupt you?". There is every reason to think that talking about any new group of Clinton emails would damage her campaign, and he did it anyway. His job was to stand by the rules of the department, even in the face of heated criticism from politicians. He failed to do his job.
And I only say this in the context of the FBI fixing their own house. I am absolutely devastated that my girl lost, but I see no reason to be a sore loser about the whole thing. The emails were but one flaw, and we all just need to move on . . . to 2020, very quickly, like at light speed, no delay . . .

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Message 56 of 56 (794146)
11-10-2016 3:33 PM
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11-10-2016 1:56 PM


Re: The FBI politicized? Say it isn't so!
Cat Sci writes:
I'm sorry, are you saying that it was his job to avoid doing damage to the campaign, because that's what the rules of his department are?
Yes, within context. It has been a long standing rule not to talk about ongoing investigations involving a candidate within 60 days of a campaign.
Yeah, Jill Stein is an outstanding woman
I guess that makes me Green with envy, .

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