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Coyote
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Message 3 of 35 (794634)
11-18-2016 2:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Gregory Rogers
11-18-2016 11:19 AM


No giants...
No, there is no skeletal evidence for a race of giants.

There are a few large individuals in each population, but that's about it.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 6 of 35 (794638)
11-18-2016 2:45 PM
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11-18-2016 2:37 PM


Re: No giants...
I guess Wilt Chamberlain doesn't count, though he did score 100 points in a game once

Wilt was indeed large, and unusually well-coordinated for one so large.

But one individual does not make a race or a population.

If there indeed was a race of giants that information would be in the archaeological and osteological literature, but that information is conspicuous by its absence.

In a google search for "race of giants" all of the leading hits are religious sites of one kind or another. (I have learned never to trust a religious-oriented site on any matter relating to science.)

Incidentally, I have personally examined something over a thousand skeletons without finding any hint of giants.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 19 of 35 (794682)
11-19-2016 6:32 PM
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11-19-2016 6:21 PM


Re: No giants...
256 cm for females is small?

256 cm is over 8 feet.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 24 of 35 (794688)
11-19-2016 8:21 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by NosyNed
11-19-2016 8:01 PM


Re: There be giants
Gigantopithecus:

This critter is known only from jaws and teeth, and the height/upright posture is based on the wider angle of the jaws--as a critter reaches bipedal locomotion the jaws have to spread at the base to allow the various parts of the neck to fit between them. Not all agree that Giganto had upright posture.

In any case, Giganto is known from fossils dated perhaps as much as 9 million years ago to about 100,000 years ago. As such, it overlapped in time with modern humans, but was not generally found in the same locations.

So, creationists believing in "giants" in biblical times have to:

1) account for the antiquity, far more than the 4,004 BC they often advocate, of Giganto fossils.

2) account for the lack of fossils or bones from Giganto within the time of human history.

3) account for the vast differences between Giganto jaws and teeth and those of modern humans from the same time period. And

4) just provide some evidence for the many claims made about giants.

When you actually look at the evidence, Giganto is far more likely to be the direct ancestor to Bigfoot than to be part of a race of giants during biblical times.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.


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Message 30 of 35 (810947)
06-03-2017 10:06 AM
Reply to: Message 29 by Davidjay
06-03-2017 5:03 AM


Re: Nephilim never existed
As I noted in post 6 of this thread:

If there indeed was a race of giants that information would be in the archaeological and osteological literature, but that information is conspicuous by its absence.

In a google search for "race of giants" all of the leading hits are religious sites of one kind or another. (I have learned never to trust a religious-oriented site on any matter relating to science.)

Incidentally, I have personally examined something over a thousand skeletons without finding any hint of giants.

You believe in giants? Where are the bones?


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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Message 34 of 35 (810956)
06-03-2017 10:39 AM
Reply to: Message 32 by Davidjay
06-03-2017 10:27 AM


Re: Nephilim existed, see 30 articles of mine
There is no osteological evidence for giants. Period.

And those faked photos? Anyone who knows anything about osteology can tell just from the photos that those are fakes.

You are just fooling yourself.


Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.

Belief gets in the way of learning--Robert A. Heinlein

In the name of diversity, college student demands to be kept in ignorance of the culture that made diversity a value--StultisTheFool

It's not what we don't know that hurts, it's what we know that ain't so--Will Rogers

If I am entitled to something, someone else is obliged to pay--Jerry Pournelle

If a religion's teachings are true, then it should have nothing to fear from science...--dwise1

"Multiculturalism" demands that the US be tolerant of everything except its own past, culture, traditions, and identity.

Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other points of view--William F. Buckley Jr.


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