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Message 1 of 39 (849265)
02-16-2019 1:50 PM


Some people think it just affects christmas lights and ear buds, but it actually applies to everything:

The first Law of the Universe:
If something can get (en)tangled, it will.

The short version:

Quarks entangled with one another give us electrons, protons, neutrons ...

... which entangled with one another gives us atoms ...

... which entangled with one another gives us molecules ...

... which entangled with one another create more and more complex pre-biotic and biotic molecules ...

... proteins ... amino acids ... RNA ... DNA ... life ...

Everything is in motion so entanglement is enabled, inevitable.

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Message 4 of 39 (849277)
03-03-2019 8:12 AM
Reply to: Message 3 by AZPaul3
03-02-2019 4:24 PM


both
Everything is in a constant state of flux, this causes interactions that manifest as both -- the macro entanglement is a manifestation of the micro entanglement, but it still occurs at the micro level.

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Message 7 of 39 (849476)
03-11-2019 3:03 PM
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03-03-2019 6:35 PM


Re: both
Though a quantum entangled system has quantum properties in common over light years of distance, something macro-"entangled" systems do not have, you count their entanglement as similar to non-quantum systems.

All subatomic particles are constantly flipping between different aspects/states, entangled from one to the next through some extra-dimensional space/time or equivalent factor. This causes changes in the more macro environment that result in seemingly minor changes, but which cause macro tanglements

For what purpose?

Understanding. Free the thinking from static models to one of constant change rippling through space/time.

We know there are forces which cause stuff to clump together. No mystery there.

Or is there?

Those forces change when Neutron → Proton + Electron due to flipping quarks/leptons for example.

quote:
Subatomic Particles

Composite subatomic particles (such as protons or atomic nuclei) are bound states of two or more elementary particles. For example, a proton is made of two up quarks and one down quark, while the atomic nucleus of helium-4 is composed of two protons and two neutrons. The neutron is made of two down quarks and one up quark. Composite particles include all hadrons: these include baryons (such as protons and neutrons) and mesons (such as pions and kaons).


Neutron (2 down + 1 up) → Proton (1 down + 2 up) + Electron (1 down - 1 up ?) in above example.

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Message 12 of 39 (849559)
03-14-2019 2:55 PM
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03-11-2019 3:55 PM


what a tangled web we weave
... Religion is far too static ...

Written religion certainly trends to a static state ... unless it is open to interpretations. Oral religion tends to follow the orator/s interpretations. Dogmatic beliefs are virtually by definition static.

... Is our nature as thinkers to think good thoughts, bad thoughts or complete thoughts? ...

Yes, it is also a curse, if you will: the apparent inability to not-think.

... Do you separate your emotional philosophical thinking from your science mind or are you able to form a cohesion?

I don't think it is possible to separate one from the other. They are both part of your world-view, and information is processed depending on how it fits these fundamental (to each person) concepts. The less friction there is between them the easier it is to process new information.

Even our thoughts are tangled ...

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Message 20 of 39 (849606)
03-15-2019 6:00 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by mike the wiz
03-15-2019 8:28 AM


Hi Mike

But when it comes to "pre-biotic"chemicals, can you show me one of those please?...

Your example, H2O, is pre-biotic, as a most simplistic example. The more complex examples would be those found in outer space (ie unaffected by life on earth). See

quote:
Panspermic Pre-Biotic Molecules - Life's Building Blocks (Part I)

In deeper space we find the signatures of other organics compounds: polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon (PAH) molecules are the most abundant family of molecules in the interstellar medium after molecular hydrogen and carbon monoxide, ...


These molecules would likely be formed during nova type events as gases are expelled, expand and cool/condense into entangled molecules that are then be scattered in space.

... What is a pre-biotic chemical? ...

A chemical/molecule that is used to make/build biotic molecules, those necessary for life (amino acids for biotic chemical example).

The entanglement of these pre-existing pre-biotic into biotics means mixing in proximity to allow the further entanglements. Natural caldrons of puddles perhaps.

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Message 29 of 39 (849750)
03-20-2019 8:54 AM
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03-19-2019 9:46 PM


we're getting tangled up in off topic stuff instead of tanglements ...

inevitable, I guess.

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