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fallacycop
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Message 98 of 216 (297479)
03-23-2006 1:47 AM
Reply to: Message 96 by Faith
03-22-2006 8:19 PM


Re: No that is not what I'm saying.
faith writes:
DNA and other forensic evidence can pinpoint a person. I don't care how suggestive the evidence in the rocks is, there is no way you are going to be able to have absolute certainty about some imaginative scenario about the past.
You can keep saying that as much as you want, but I think it is very clear that the other posters of this thread have giving you more then convincing evidence that these scenarios have much more then simple imagination behind them.
(by the way, whenever you say things like "I don't care how suggestive the evidence in the rocks is" you give scientists reasons to dismiss whatever point you are trying to make. Scientist do care about the evidence. That's how science is done)

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fallacycop
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Message 150 of 216 (297942)
03-24-2006 8:56 PM
Reply to: Message 122 by Faith
03-24-2006 5:21 PM


Re: Reasoning
Faith writes:
I'm no longer looking for the scientific reasoning behind such scenarios, I'm merely objecting that Joe Public is taught AS IF IT WERE KNOWN FACT what is only an imaginative scenario about the ancient untestable unrepeatable past, no matter WHAT scientific evidence supports it.
Again, as have been pointed out to you several times before in this thread, there is much more behind theese scenarios then simple imagination. You don't seam to understand that EVERY scientific theory (no exceptions) consists of a scenario (originally imagined by a human being) supported by evidence. what makes a theory a good theory is the amount of evidence supporting it. By any standards, the amount of evidence supporting the theory of evolution, the Big Bang theory, and the standard geologic interpretation of the layers of rocks on earth, is overwhelming. Indeed it's hard to find any theory better suported then the theory of evolution. In the other hand, the amount of evidence supporting the flood theory is somewhere between zip and nil. hence, anybody that believes this theory is clearly deluded (which, by the way, is the point of that thread)

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fallacycop
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Message 151 of 216 (297944)
03-24-2006 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 130 by Faith
03-24-2006 5:37 PM


Re: Reasoning
Faith writes:
BUT the argument is that the evidence CANNOT BE TESTED
Not true. the past leaves lots of clues that make their way to the present that CAN BE TESTED (By the way, all science is about the past. when you hear or see something you are merely decoding the clues left by events that have already taken place )

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fallacycop
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Message 153 of 216 (297948)
03-24-2006 9:28 PM
Reply to: Message 128 by Faith
03-24-2006 5:34 PM


Re: Reasoning
Faith writes:
Giants once walked the earth.
First you say that nothing can be stated as a fact about the past. Then you state that giants once walked the earth as a fact. You contradict yourself

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fallacycop
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Message 156 of 216 (297953)
03-24-2006 9:37 PM
Reply to: Message 136 by Faith
03-24-2006 5:52 PM


Re: Reasoning
Faith writes:
Let's just end this endless side trip about crimescene forensics with me pointing out that as long as the context is human and historical we have ways of crosschecking it that we just don't have when it's millions of years in the past.
As repeatedly pointed out to you by people with expertize in the fields, the ways for crosschecking do exist. But you refuse to believe them and choose to believe an old book instead.

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fallacycop
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Message 161 of 216 (297964)
03-24-2006 10:22 PM
Reply to: Message 158 by Faith
03-24-2006 9:59 PM


Re: Reasoning
Faith writes:
God's revelation is different from the methods of science. There is no contradiction, there are different ways of knowing. And I'm TRYING to keep the focus on the very ancient past, millions of years ago, and off the past that is within historical time. If you'd been reading the thread I'd think you'd have known that and not added just one more irrelevant post to it.
In case you haven't noticed, this thread is not about the ancient past. it is about how deluded literalists are. And despite of what you may think, you are not the judge of which posts are pointless and which ones are not

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fallacycop
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Message 166 of 216 (297974)
03-24-2006 11:11 PM
Reply to: Message 164 by Faith
03-24-2006 10:36 PM


Re: Reasoning
Faith writes:
It still can't be treated as FACT and although I've been polite about it, and assumed there are no nefarious motivations involved, the consistent attacks on my simple point provoke me to say that it's FRAUD to do so, I don't care HOW certain you are about it.
The age of the rocks (measured by radioactive decay) is as much of a scientific fact as the hight of the mount Everest is. By your reasoning nothing at all is a fact. of course it would be right to say that nothing is proved in science. but it gets prety tedious after a while to keep saying that over and over again. So yes, scientist will state as facts things that have an OVERWHELMING amount of evidence. And there's nothing wrong with that

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