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Author Topic:   Ignorant Creationists vs. Knowledgeable Evolutionists
crashfrog
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Message 188 of 196 (161943)
11-20-2004 7:41 PM
Reply to: Message 185 by Buzsaw
11-20-2004 6:22 PM


Consider though, the tremendous advantage ID gives man over mindless ID/NS
What advantage is that, exactly? I would argue that the advantage is the other way around; that's why the hottest thing in engineering and computer programming is the use of RM/NS to develop new technologies and software.
RM/NS is better at designing things than intelligent design. That's the inescapable conclusion.

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crashfrog
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Message 191 of 196 (161956)
11-20-2004 8:43 PM
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11-20-2004 8:20 PM


The difference is that most of those engineers and technicians setting this up are highly educated intelligent people with wonderfully designed minds utilizing it with a special planned purpose in mind.
Right. And they're using that education and intelligence to copy nature's processes to the greatest degree possible. In other words, they're taking their own intelligence out of the picture. So there is no difference. There's no difference at all between nature using RM/NS to design living things, and engineers using RM/NS to design jet airplanes.

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crashfrog
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Message 195 of 196 (162053)
11-21-2004 1:00 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by Buzsaw
11-20-2004 10:19 PM


You miss my point, being that there's a whole lota difference in controlled usage of randomness by intelligent beings in a controlled environment with processes set up to utilize randomness within purposefully programmed proceedures implementing specified plans people propose.
No, I understood your point. (Please don't assume that just because I disagree, I don't understand.)
But you're completely wrong. When intelligent people use their intelligence to copy the work of nature, there's absolutely no difference at all between intelligent use of controlled randomness (great phrase btw) and nature's use of controlled randomness.
Absolutely no difference whatsoever. The results don't get magically infused with some "essence" of intelligence. The results of genetic programming and evolutionary engineering are just as much a product of randomness and haphazard selection and recombination as things are in the natural world; and those results are almost always far more advanced than anything intelligence alone is capable of.
I understood your point completely. But your point was completely wrong.

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