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Author Topic:   How can anyone say that this universe was designed for Humanity?
THEONE 
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Message 12 of 60 (37371)
04-19-2003 10:12 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Mr. Davies
12-12-2002 8:05 AM


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With 90% of the universe unavailable to us, dark matter, nuetrenos, and the like, I wounder how can people claim that all of this was made for us?
Forget that even Earth itself along with the Sun is less 1% of one-trillionth of the normal matter we can interact with, if we could even get there, why is all of this for us?
Any ideas?
As I try to attempt to answer this question, please, keep in mind that this question in itself is not by any means scientific. "Why is all of this for us?" is purely theological or phylosophical question and cannot be subjected to evidence. Some creationist use statement like "If the constant for gravity was 0.000345645????% different, we would not exist" as a tool to strengthen their belive. And since it does strengthen it for them, they think that by screaming about it they'll prove something to the world. This IS naive.
As far as a theological belive of the whole universe being created for us. It goes back to the issue of free will. We are the only KNOWN species with this quality. All animals, mamals, paracites, etc. are operating on instinct. Humans are the only once above this. Why? Out of hundreds of thousands(millions?) of different animals (paracites, mamals....) we are the only ones? We are unique. No matter what you belive, I think you'll agree with that. Maybe some of you think that it's not important because we can't survive "nuclear holocost" or "asteroids falling from space" but it does not change the fact that we are unique IN THE SENSE OF HAVING FREE WILL OR MAKE DECISIONS. (not unique by materialistic design. And by decisions i don't mean choosing icecream over cake, that's preference).
Keeping in mind the other theistic doctrine of everything happening for a reason, there must be one for us having this unique trait. Since this trait is also that one of Creator (he made us in his image), some theist belive that it is this trait, properly used will bring us closer and eventually reunite us with G-d.(this is a topic of it's own) No other being has Free Will and cannot fulfill this purpose of reuniting with G-d. Therefore, they're just here to assist us with the Divine Goal.
You might say that we "don't know 90% of the universe" and there maybe some alien life forms... maybe, maybe not, it's the same as beliveing in G-d.
This is just a theistic answer to a purely theistic question. Nothing even remotely scientific(in materialistic term) here.
[This message has been edited by TheOne, 04-19-2003]

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THEONE 
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Message 15 of 60 (37377)
04-20-2003 3:53 AM
Reply to: Message 14 by Syamsu
04-20-2003 12:09 AM


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I think that depends on where you see purpose in the universe.
Exactly. And as some Evolutionist repetedly claimed here, they don't even bother with finding out "purpose" because it can't be "empirically" tested. That's why it's hard for them to understand "why aren't cockroaches better than us?"

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