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Author Topic:   How can anyone say that this universe was designed for Humanity?
Mr. Davies
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Message 1 of 60 (26398)
12-12-2002 8:05 AM


With 90% of the universe unavailable to us, dark matter, nuetrenos, and the like, I wounder how can people claim that all of this was made for us?
Forget that even Earth itself along with the Sun is less 1% of one-trillionth of the normal matter we can interact with, if we could even get there, why is all of this for us?
Any ideas?

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Mr. Davies
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Message 3 of 60 (26406)
12-12-2002 9:20 AM
Reply to: Message 2 by Delshad
12-12-2002 8:29 AM


What is not for us? Well, I can't really answer that without conditions. If something already belongs to another, well then I would think that means it is not for us. However, as our own history has shown, military prowess can change all of that.
What I'm really getting at is the line of though that points to the "fine tuning" of the universe to support our lifeforms. My point is with so much of the uuniverse unavailable to us and or unable to be interacted with by us, how can we say that the universe is fine tuned?
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Mr. Davies
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Message 5 of 60 (26428)
12-12-2002 1:47 PM
Reply to: Message 4 by Delshad
12-12-2002 1:12 PM


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Yes, but you have to keep in mind that it isn`t objects that adjust to beings, rather beings adjusts to objects.
No argument here. I was making a comment to those who hold the position that "If the constant for gravity was 0.000345645????% different, we would not exist" or words to that effect. The other favorite I've seen is the "Earth is exactly in the right place", the poster known as Tranquility Base seems to like that one.
I would answer that life makes use of what's around. This may be far to simplistic an analogy, I would not expect a fresh water fish to come out of a salty sea. The life we see, as you correctly pointed out, adjusts itself to the conditions, not the other way around.
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I agree, but why do I get the feeling that you think that all theists believe that the universe has been fine-tuned for them?
I do not lump all theists in expressing that conclusion. That would be a gross error. I know some feel that it is their god who created everything but "let the dice fall where they may" when they created the universe. They look to see how their deity created everything within the realm of science but keep their faith and believe their god was behind it all.
I have no issue with that. I will not even ridicule or attempt to engage them in a game of "Well your god don't exist" or "Show me the evidence" as they keep there god to themselves, although all too happy in sharing them with you if you ask, so I have no need to challenge them on it. We respect each other's views and let it go at that.
The question I have is to those who think that their deity created it all for us, even those things that we could never see, save using science.
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