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happy_atheist
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Message 100 of 130 (336925)
07-31-2006 12:50 PM
Reply to: Message 95 by 2ice_baked_taters
07-25-2006 12:04 PM


2ice_baked_taters writes:
After this I see no reason to call a photon a particle. It doesn't fit in the box. If something has no mass it should not physically exist. Therefore it either has mass in such a small quantity that it has not been detected or it is something other than physical. In this latter it is more likely that our understanding of physical is incorrect.
I think this comes back to cavedivers distinction between fermionic mass and bosonic mass. Photons have no rest mass (which I assume means fermionic mass). They do however have momentum, which is related to mass, so I don't think it's true to say that they have no mass whatsoever.

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happy_atheist
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Message 102 of 130 (337214)
08-01-2006 12:17 PM
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07-31-2006 10:17 PM


2ice_baked_taters writes:
After doing a bit of reading I have come to understand that there is no evidence indicating that what we call photons have no rest mass. There is also no clear definiton of photon.
What is it that you've read?
Off the top of my head, photons travel at c. This demands that they have zero rest mass as long as the relativistic equations are correct (and I've not heard of any evidence that contradicts them, but if there is I'll stand corrected). It's not possible for anything to travel at c if it doesn't have zero rest mass, from a relativistic point of view.
I think I'll have to leave it to cavediver for a more in depth response though.

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happy_atheist
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Message 106 of 130 (337381)
08-02-2006 12:30 PM
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08-02-2006 9:29 AM


2ice_baked_taters writes:
Everything physical has mass or it does not exist physically. If something truely has no mass then it cannot be physical in nature. Relativity simply is not describing the picture correctly.
Are you aware of any observation that indicates that photons have a non-zero rest mass? Are you aware of any theoretical physics that argues that something with a non-zero rest mass can travel at c? Whether or not relativity is describing reality correctly depends on observations, not semantics.

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