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ballewski
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Message 25 of 57 (71493)
12-07-2003 10:30 PM


lets say that in fact the big bang did take place and all the matter in the univers was cluttered into one tiny ball so compact that it created the explosion that created the planets, stars and every thing else. i think that this is a definate possibility but the one question that comes about with this idea is where did the matter come from befor the explosion? it was no just simply there. someone had to have put the matter there for it to explode and creat everything. it is sort of like a dommino effect someone has to push the one for anything to happen. i donnot believe that we are here by accident i believe that God created the univers and everything in it for a reason. the best example that i can give on the idea of creation is if you take a bucket of paint, a brush and the canvase and leave it there you will never get the mona lisa. you would be leaving out the most important factor....the creator.

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ballewski
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Message 28 of 57 (71505)
12-08-2003 12:07 AM
Reply to: Message 27 by :æ:
12-07-2003 11:45 PM


it is a fact that somthing just dosent appear out of no were and that is what i am saying. you dont get something from nothing. if you dont think this is what happend then instead of attacking my beliefes tell me something that makes what i think wrong or inaccurate. i dont expect you to believe my statements just because i say so, i am just trying to go beyond the idea of the big bang.

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ballewski
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Message 31 of 57 (71510)
12-08-2003 2:25 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by NosyNed
12-08-2003 12:54 AM


Re: Something from
virtual particles, Hawking radtiation and the Casimir effect you are right i know nothing about. no matter how many things you show me that i cannot explain or somthing that i dont understand you cannot explain to me how these virtual particals first came into existance. please dont tell me that you think that they have always been here. what do you base the idea that matter has just always been? a rock cant form from empty space, its same with everything else. you give me statements that mean nothing "anything that exists outside the real universe isn't real." and "Still, it's probably more important to note that the Big Bang theory is a mathematical model and may differ greatly from the reality." if you think its not reality then why do so many people stand by it and accept it to be true. if you can tell me that the big bang may not be true then how are you so sure about all your other statements.

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ballewski
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Message 34 of 57 (71762)
12-08-2003 10:11 PM
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12-08-2003 2:39 AM


Re: Something from
those are some good points. when you say "although it's so unlikely that it would be practically impossible to observe." it is that point of impossiblity that i think the factor of God comes into the picture, and because God can make anything happen it is highly possible that you could spontaneously teleport through your floor and land on your couch. it is only in our mind that makes things like this seem impossible. im not trying to disprove the laws of physics by any means, as i believe that God created everything i think he created these laws and he used them to create. some people think that God and science repell eachother i think that both could very well go hand in hand.

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ballewski
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Message 36 of 57 (71939)
12-09-2003 6:31 PM
Reply to: Message 35 by Rrhain
12-09-2003 3:40 AM


Re: Something from
Well if God created everything then because of God everything exists so everything does need God. I think things do happen on there own but only because God gives them the power to, we are the only species on earth that has the ability to reason and make complex decisions and I believe that God gave us that gift.
Drawing a royal flush and the ability to teleport are completely different things. If it is true when you say one person a month can draw a royal flush at a casino then that would mean over thousands of people have done it already, and I don’t think that I recall anyone having the ability to teleport from one room to another or be at the same place at the same time. There was however an incident in the Bible that after Jesus had been crucified and laid to rest in his tomb he rose from the dead and appeared to all the disciples and then 500 other people, this is by far an even greater feat than teleporting from room to room.

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