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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
There are experimental limits on the mass of a photon.
A cast iron upper limit is (7.3 x 10^-21) times the mass of an electron. More indirect evidence puts an upper limit of (1.7 x 10^-32) times the mass of an electron. So your 2x10^-15 number is already way too high. This Hooper-Luck triangle thing (I haven't looked at it yet) but it sounds like a joke. By the way a black hole singularity and a big bang singularity are not the same mathematical object. A black hole singularity is embedded in a pre-existing spacetime, a big bang singularity is not. What the heck is your emissions question about?
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
Here is a pretty recent result.
http://physics.about.com/library/weekly/aa022303b.htm The much more stringent result is from galactic magnetic field constraints. I don't have a link right this second.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
I wondered if this was your own product you were plugging.
Now I can only find a single web reference to it, on another forum. Also the two names do not show up on any published physics journal I have checked thus far. The documentation seems terrible - it says nothing about nothing seemingly. Please elaborate what you are attempting to do with this. I have a PhD in theoretical physics from CalTech so don't worry about keeping the explanation simple - I'll follow, trust me.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
This whole thing seems pointless.
Some of your comments about physics laws are in error. I would like to see you place on here an example using the program to derive redshift distance relationship and look back time etc.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
Do you know what energy conservation is a consequence of?
Do you know what determines momentum and angular momentum conservation? (And it isn't energy conservation) Could you please tell me why you believe energy conservation applies to the entire universe? Do you have any idea of the consequences of photon mass? There are astrophysical arguments that constrain the mass much more than you stated. Could you show me your calculation of the photon mass with GAMERT? Could you respond to my comment early in this thread about you not understanding the difference between a black hole singularity and a big bang singularity? Could you please explain what you mean by 'energy' in your Boyle's Law example? From what I have seen of GAMERT it does nothing. In fact it obscures things rather than clarifies them. I repeat, it doesn't do a thing from a physics standpoint. As someone pointed out earlier it does nothing more than show f = x/y and kicks out numbers. I can do in my head (or with a calculator) anything it does. What more can it do?
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
I don't have much time right this second, but a couple of comments:
I deliberately asked the redshift/distance question because I know your program cannot derive it. It is inherently non-linear. It is useless to say the distance in a 'static' space because we are not in a static space. So any distance you derive is based on a linear Doppler shift approximation which is good only for very small redshifts. Most people forget that the better interpretation of redshift is that of the expansion of the space itself which is inherently non-linear. Hence we have redshifts greater than 1 which classically implies recession velocities greater than c. This paradox is the consequence of applying special relativity to a situation where it does not apply. That is the metric of spacetime we need to use on the largest scales is that of a curved spacetime and not an asymptotically flat Minkowski metric. I cannot use the same coordinate system to represent myself and the distant (high z) galaxy. This is also borne out of the fact that energy conservation in general relativity is a local law that applies only with the said flat (Minkowskian) metric. When using a dynamic FRW metric it is not possible to formulate a 'conservation of energy' rule - You cannot make a meaningful statement of the total energy and hence derive a conservation. This is because energy conservation is dependent on the arrow of time and the problem becomes which (or whose) time do you use. For example the total energy of the Universe in a Hamiltonian approach is zero, in other calculations you get other values (pseudotensor methods.) Thus there is no way HLT can handle this. It will automatically give wrong values because it uses the wrong physics. To me that means it is worthless in these questions. I'm still unclear by what your 'energy' is in the Boyle's law example. Also how did you get a 'mass' for the photon. Please show me the HLT calculation. The reason I pointed this out is that it is already known to have an UPPER limit way less than this. In fact the value is almost undoubtedly ZERO. Any value you have determined is almost undoubtedly WRONG. There are big consequences of a photon mass that are not observed, hence the very small upper limits from astrophysical observations. Any non zero value that HLT determines (and I'd love to see how you did it) is based upon WRONG physics, period. If you show me how, I'll show you why it's wrong. AND to address the basic issue of what you are doing Your tool might reduce everything down to a simple relationship as you say - BUT IN DOING SO IT DOES THE WRONG PHYSICS IF IT DOES THIS REDUCTION. Sure it works for a simple f=x/y relationship but my God I can do that in my head already. HLT gains me nothing and obscures if anything. I can show you get the wrong redshift/distance.I can show your photon mass calc. (if you show it) is wrong. I also would like to see your black hole calculation. I am still puzzled why you mentioned a UV photon? That seemed to me to hint you don't know any GR. Please expound - i.e. show the HLT calculation to derive this.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
Well your tool is not a very useful tool then.
But back to the photon mass. Please show me your calculation. Because if it predicts a photon mass then it is wrong! In fact your 'tool' is the equivalent of doing a calculus problem without the 'complexity' of the calculus. You are in effect calculating out every infinitesimal sum by habd. Please explain how this is a step forward? You tool brings nothing to the table. [This message has been edited by Eta_Carinae, 12-09-2003]
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
OK let's put it this way.
What can you do with HLT that I cannot do already in a faster manner by conventional means?
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
Well you have resorted to the time honoured last resort of all the other cranks in history.
Accuse others of not following. Let me tell you something sonny. Your tool DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. IN FACT IT OBSCURES THINGS. Your initial statements on conservation laws were in error - which lends me to believe you don't know any physics. I HAVE REPEATEDLY ASKED YOU FOR HOW YOU GOT A PHOTON MASS OUT OF HLT. YOU HAVE SO FAR NOT PROVIDED THIS EXAMPLE. MAINLY BECAUSE YOU KNOW IT WOULD FALL APART ON CLOSE EXAMINATION. You have not offered simplicity. You have made simpler topics more cloudy. In fact the more I think of it I can think of many fundamental topics your tool will not handle. I'll make a wager with you right now. Not a single peer reviewed Physics Journal will accept a publication of this NONSENSE. Yes it is nonsense. I don't know what you guys do for a living but I wouldn't quit the day job just yet and forge a career in physics. If you think doing redshift/distance piecemeal is elucidating then good luck but I don't think you'll find many takers.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
I think you mean his nonsensical statement in message #8 about emissions from a gravitating object. I guess the concept of energy being transmitted by gravitational radiation is giving him trouble.
LOL - Yes his physics knowledge seems rather based upon incorrect rememberances of a NOVA episode on PBS. WEBFEET, HERE IS A CHALLENGE FOR HLT: Calculate the gravitational energy radiated by the Earth in it's orbit around the Sun. I can perform this from first principles in a couple of minutes or by using the quadrupole formula in a few seconds. Show me a HLT calculation of this. Please state your answer in Watts.
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Eta_Carinae Member (Idle past 4405 days) Posts: 547 From: US Joined: |
I asked first:
Show me the photon mass calculation, please. Or answer my challenge of calculating the loss of energy by the Earth in it's orbit do to gravitational radiation. Your response about 'how do I do the calculation at present if not by piecemeal' shows you just don't know any GR. Space on here does not permit but check out for yourself Friedmann equation, Robertson-Walker metric. You should be able to find many calculations of redshift/distance and look-back times for differing cosmologies on the web.
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