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Omnivorous
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Message 11 of 66 (302714)
04-09-2006 8:30 PM
Reply to: Message 8 by cavediver
04-09-2006 7:00 PM


Re: Birthdays
Something closer to 20-30, I think--if you pull five date tickets out of a bag, putting each one back after pulling it, the chances of pulling the same one twice seem low.
My intuitive draw poker sense tells me that at around 20-30 pulls, the odds of pulling a duplicate are mounting...so I'll guess 25.

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Message 12 of 66 (302716)
04-09-2006 8:39 PM
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04-09-2006 5:29 PM


Re: Jumpin Jack Facts
I was thinking that too, until it came to me that a car travels linearly, while anything on the equator would be on a path rotating around the center of the earth. My common sense tells me that it should land away from the cannon opposite the motion of the earth. Does anyone know if that's right?
The cannonball doesn't lose its rotational velocity just because it's fired upward from a cannon.
On a still day, my model rockets always fell close at hand, so I'd think whatever direction the wind is blowing would be more of a determinant of where the cannonball landed.

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Message 25 of 66 (302844)
04-10-2006 9:33 AM
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04-10-2006 4:39 AM


Re: Birthdays
cavediver writes:
I love your thinking Omni... I always told my students that poker taught a great stats lesson
Nothing sharpens the statistical sense like a busted straight and a called bluff

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Message 28 of 66 (302896)
04-10-2006 11:23 AM
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04-10-2006 10:02 AM


Re: I'll take a stab at it ...
But we can say that about the car and the ball because we observe the two travelling together.If a person were to drop the ball from the car then it would end up behind the car as a common sense would dictate since the car is moving. If we stand on an earth that is moving at 1500 feet per second {far faster than the car} it would follow from this logic that a ball released from our hand or a cannonball shot into the air must fall a great distance even in a short period of time.
The ball and the hand in the car are maintained at equal relative velocity by the car--a ball tossed from the car drops quickly behind because the car no longer supplies the force to keep it moving.
The cannon and the cannonball are tethered to the earth by gravity, not by containment within the atmosphere per se or by contact with the earth. There would be some slight attenuation of gravitational pull as the cannonball rose, but not enough to make an appreciable difference--unless the cannonball rose far enough to reach near-orbital heights.
That's my theory, and I'm sticking to it.

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