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Author Topic:   The use of logic in establishing truths
Buzsaw
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Message 18 of 171 (438676)
12-05-2007 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by Stile
12-05-2007 11:11 AM


Re: Observation/Truth
Razd writes:
(80-90%) Very Confident - Hundreds of thousands of observation from thousands of different people under many different circumstances
(90-95%) Most Confident - Ongoing observations from increasing numbers of people
(95%-??) The Truth - ?
Back in the 1970s or so most folks were most confident that the planet was headed for a global iceage. By applying logic to observed fulfillment of numerous Biblical prophecies corroborated by other Biblical supportive phenomena I concluded that given so many other prophecies proved to be accurate, likely the prophecies relative to latter day global warming would also come to pass. I was among a small minority who discounted an iceage. My point is that quite often the masses have had it wrong, including many fundamental churchmen who were either not into the prophecies or had not done their homework sufficiently on them.
I apply some of this logic to aspects of the Biblical record regarding events such as a global flood as well. Then via logic I conclude that properties of the atmosphere must have been very different before the flood etc. The masses have been taught otherwise from childhood on. Therefore if the ideology the masses have had programmed into their minds is wrong the masses may prove to be in error on a number of important accounts after all is said and done.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 46 of 171 (438856)
12-06-2007 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by bluegenes
12-05-2007 7:36 PM


Re: Observation/Truth
bluegenes writes:
Buz, when you quote someone and attribute the quote, I think you should make sure you've got the right person.
Thanks, Bluegenes and my apologies to Stile and Razd for this carelessness.
bluegenes writes:
In the rest of your post, you seem to be regarding a speculation about the future as something that might be regarded as a truth, which is odd. You're also confusing "logic" with "faith" when you talk about your views on the Bible and the flood.
How so must logic be applied only outside of the Biblical record? That makes no sense to me.
bluegenes writes:
You mean that all the religions believed in today might be rejected as false, as so many others have been in the past?
Perhaps we should stop programming children with religions, then.
Not at all. My point was that what is widely programmed into the masses should be open to logical reasoning pertaining to other data. The same goes with religion.
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 48 of 171 (438867)
12-06-2007 12:59 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by Percy
12-05-2007 7:09 PM


Re: Observation/Truth
Percy writes:
So you're saying that even for something that is self-evident to everyone, because everyone could be wrong it still can't be considered axiomatic, which means that Dawn Bertot's criteria for being axiomatic is incorrect?
I'm saying that much of what is axiomatic to the masses is not logically compatible to the data and/or the interpretation of data which others holding a minority view may apply.
I'm still not sure how that goes with the DP view or whether it's even relative to his view on the meaning of axiomatic. Merriam Webster's #1 definition of axiomatic is "taken for granted."

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 116 of 171 (439211)
12-07-2007 6:51 PM
Reply to: Message 49 by ringo
12-06-2007 1:18 PM


Re: Taken for Granted/Axiomatic
Ringo writes:
There's the keyword again: "granted". Who granted it?
In this sense it's not given. It's taken.
"Taken for granted" doesn't mean one person like Dawn Bertot assumed it. It means there's a consensus.
Not necessarily if I understand you correctly. I of the minority here take some things for granted as in axiomatic which you may not. For example, I've familiarized myself with such things as the Biblical prophecies, phenominal personal experience and such over the past 62 years since my conversion to the extent that I take the fact that God exists for granted as in axiomatic.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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